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Jeanneau Attalia

109K views 301 replies 33 participants last post by  Waymar83 
#1 ·
Hi all,

I've been reading the sailnet fora for a few years and have not come across anyone with any comments about the Jeanneau Attalia. Anybody have any info/experience? My 1983 has served very well for the past 4 yrs (on Lake Ontario).

I have really only one minor irritant on my boat: no hot water.

Mark
 
#160 ·
Hi guys,

This is the aft cabin (right behind the engine). Not a bad spot but I can't believe that this is how the boat was manufactured. I dont think anyone moved things around and fortunately all the wires lead to the panel by the chart table (with fuses). But it is messy and there is no way the wires should be screwed in with the battery posts. I will put in a couple of bus bars and organise it and consolidate the batteries a little better but finding a spot to put the bus bars etc is not easy, which is why I was hoping you guys did it first... I have a bit of an idea.

Now that the boat is 5 minutes from work and 20 minutes from home, I am spending alot more time on her and am doing a number of projects.
 
#161 ·
Mark,

Ment to do this earlier today......any who....

My house batter is under the nav seat, and the starting bat literally in front of the engine, behind the ingress egress steps. Heading down in a moment to the boat, if it is not too dark, I'll try to get a photo of the engine battery.

In the meantime, here is a photo of the house box area under the nav seat, sans a battery.

Marty

 
#164 ·
Hi Guy!

Back from the sail to St-Lucia. 20 hrs one way and 26 coming back (done over the long week-end). Unfortunately over half of that was motor sailing due to prevailing or sometimes no wind. But now am familiar with Rodney Bay and the excellent facilities at IGY Marina there. Also cleared Customs and Immigration etc with ease at both ends. We were lucky. A few low pressure systems were hanging around but we avoided the rain (for the most part). Coming across ships at night in particular is always a worry but we only saw one the entire passage and he was at least 10-15 miles away and cleared well ahead. (when they do 15-20 knots and you are doing 4-5 knots you really only have to worry about whats coming up behind...)
One question: I seem to take on water when on a starboard tack. Not sure why but it must come in through a thruhull above the waterline on the starboard side. Do you have this problem?
 
#165 ·
Sounds really great.
On port tack?
Water coming in when the starboard is in the water may be the sink in the toilet - I had that problem and close the valve whenever going in bigger wind/waves.
Best regards Jens
 
#167 ·
In my case I did not realize it until one of the crew went below in high wind and saw warter flowing up from the sink and sidewards to the side of the boat and then down, passing into the main cabin. When seeing water there before, I always believed it was due to heavy rain or wet crew members. My sink appeared dry/almost dry too. No water since I started to shut off the sink valve in heavy wind on port tack.
Best regards
Jens
 
#170 ·
Last week-end we started practicing for the Round the Island Race. 60 miles clock wise around Barbados. What a 12.5 hr slog! We had moderate winds S, SE. This was fine for the West side of the Island where we had one tack all the way up. However, the Eastern side of the Island with the wind on the nose from the SE was a nightmare. The best we could do is head due East. That's the best we could point. I could not head up any closer. At one point we got a call from the Police (on land) asking us if we were OK (they thought we spent too much time in the same place).

Anyhow, I figured I need to point better. I took my main to the local Doyle sail loft and asked them to take a look. My mainsail had a concave leach which provided more sag in the sail. (not sure if I'm explaining this right). Anyhow, they recut it straight. (and fixed a few other things that needed doing on the sail. Have not tried it yet as winds this weekend were peaking at 1-5 knots... i.e. no sailing whatsoever but the seas were flat.

How are your sails cut and how high can you point? here are the recut sails:

Next stop, the Genoa..
 
#171 ·

Dear Waymar
Going E when the wind i SE is about 45 degress to the wind, as an absolute wind angle. Your relative wind angle probably was around 30 degrees (if your boat speed was about ½ of the wind speed - calculations by head). This is actually about what can be expected. My boat goes 25-30 relative degrees on one tack and 30-35 on the other (do not know why is is different).
In flat water you may point higher, in waves you will have to point lower to keep up speed (such as 45 degrees relative angle). Rather than just pointing high, I would balance this aginst the speed - always aiming for 5 knots or more upwind when the wind is 8-10 knots or more.
I got a new mainsail last year - wonderful to look at - but we are not doing better in the races ;-).
Best regards
Jens
 
#173 ·
I point at about the same degree's as Jens. Sometimes a bit higher. Then again, I have laminate sails. I personally see no reasions to go with dacron these days, as laminates are about as cheap as dacron, but seem to streth less etc. So one gets a bit more power etc in lighter and heavier winds.

Not sure doing the bow would be a good thing. Putting an extension on the rear, ie a true sugar scoop has been done to many of this era. One way to extend the WL of your boat cheaply anyhow. Look at the sunshine 36/38 boats to see how this was done.

Marty
 
#174 ·
Thanks guys,

The bow extension is not going to happen. I can just imagine what it would do to the balance, let alone trying to get a shape that would not disturb fluid flow. Although its an interesting thought as it would not affect the overall length of the boat, like a scoop on the stern would. That has also crossed my mind as a platform is always useful.

I've been looking at the polar diagram Jens sent over and it makes sense. I guess I get close to that as well. We had 2-3 meter waves and were also going against the current so I should not have expected better. But what a slog!

Jens looks like you got yourself a full batten package.. Looks nice!
 
#175 ·
Dear Mark
Yes, in those waves and with current and wind against you, I would certainly also have a slog. No wonder that the police called you ;-). Anyway, this was very nice of them.
Only way out is a slender, high pointing boat going through the waves - and you would be soaked for hours. Unfortunately, we cannot have both (at the price).
Yes, the full batten mainsail is certainly an advantage. Go for that the next time. Even though the mainsail is smaller than the genoa, I believe it plays a major role for speed and pointing, because of the channel effect.
 
#176 ·
This is what I picked up this week from Practical Sailor: The Effects of a Tidal Stream on Navigation
The effect of a tidal stream is a significant factor when navigating on any point of sailing, but can be crucial when sailing to windward. If you are in a small boat sailing to windward against a strong tide, it can often prevent you from making any headway at all and it may be best to enter a port or anchor until the tide or wind changes direction. If this is not possible, you should try to keep to shallow water, away from the strongest stream. The presence of a strong tide will also affect the strength and direction of the apparent wind. When the boat is beating against the tide, the apparent wind speed will be reduced because the boat is being carried downwind. The converse also applies. When the tide is running across the wind on the lee bow, advantage can be gained because it increases the speed of the apparent wind and alters its direction so that the boat is effectively freed and can point higher. When the tide is on the windward bow, the effect is the reverse, so try and tack when the tide changes to keep it on the lee bow..... Wondering if this would have the same effect just offshore.
 
#179 ·
Found the holding tank! (In the cockpit locker actually). Never needed to know before... Any idea how to discharge the head directly overboard bypassing the holding tank? Very useful for those trips to St-Lucia or St-Vincent. Also what is the purpose of the Y valve in the head.

Now I need to find a way of emptying the holding tank. Not easy in Barbados...
 
#180 ·
You should have an emanual pump assuming where mine is on the aft side of the head wall. The Y valve is then opened to discharge overboard vs putting shyte in the tank.

That is how it is supposed to work any who.

You could also have some older hoses, after a while the hose does not contain the smells. So one needs to replace them after a period of time. For this hose, higher more expensive hose is WELL worth the extra $$$.

Marty
 
#181 ·
That's what I thought. But the y valve ( on the aft side of the head wall) seems to have some other function. I think it might link up with the manual bilge pump (also on the aft wall). One of the hoses for example ends up in the lowest part of the floor in the head, underneath the floorboard. This y valve can't be linked to the head or the holding tank.

The discharge hose from the Jabsco head seems to go straight out through the aft wall in the head and does not come back.

Oddly, I have the original owners manual and there is not a single diagram that describes any of this.
 
#182 ·
THat does not surprise me. As my boat had NEVER HAD the lines to the tank hooked up. ALways discharged straight over board. Slightly illegal for the last 10-15 yrs before I bought it!

So I had run them myself. Initially ut in a y vlave, got rid of those, straingt to the tank, then another line to the discharge via the manual pump. I have yet to use the manual pump, as I have 2 dump stations at my marina, and at least one at every marina I seem to go to here in Puget sound. Not sure why I even have the overboard part hooked up!

Marty
 
#183 ·
Marty how did you do that? I've always used pump out at the marina and it was a vacuum system where they attach the hose and then it would suck everything out. It was a great marina, all I had to do was open it up and they would do the rest .
 
#184 ·
Mark,

Ill be using the vacuum pump tomorrow to empty the boat before a race saturday. As I said, the previous/original owner of the boat, never put hoses into the tank. When you flushed, the head flushed overboard ALL the time. While legal back in 85, not when I bought her in 2005. So I ran lines into the tank, along with one that could pump overboard direct where legal. Eventually, I said screw that option, one never used it! So straight into the tank it goes. Have thought about disconnecting the manual overboard pump, as I will probably never be where I can dump legally overboard. So the vacuum option at various and sundry marina's is really the only option I have.

Marty
 
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