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03-16-2014 06:14 PM
dan8152
Re: repairing wooden spreaders with mast steps installed

I just got my JSI spreaders this last month and will get ready to put them on this spring. They took some time to get made but should be well worth it. I will post photos once I update it.
10-09-2013 08:14 PM
Minnewaska
Re: repairing wooden spreaders with mast steps installed

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?... It's only really bad on one edge about 1"x5"(where my fingers sunk into......
You're the skipper, but that does not sound okay to me. Maybe sister something in to strengthen it, if you're going to load it up. I would make a new one. All the best.
10-09-2013 05:57 PM
dan8152
Re: repairing wooden spreaders with mast steps installed

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Dan, just be sure you aren't rationalizing, because you don't have the resources to unstep the mast. A failed rig can kill you and/or your family. It doesn't reconcile that your finger tips sunk in on one inspection, but is not as bad as you thought on the next.

Do you have the skills/tools to refabricate the wooden spreader yourself? It doesn't look all that complicated from the photo. Even if not perfect and pretty, it would be better than convincing yourself it will be okay as is. Should buy you time to get proper new spreaders. If you insist on keeping the steps, lose the anti-wrap wires at first, and reinstall them as you figure out how to keep them from passing through your new spreaders. Worst case, you wrap a halyard once or twice, before you get back to installing the wires. Who cares, you have steps to go unwrap it. For that matter, bungie the halyard head grommet to the boom and keep some light tension on the halyard and you could avoid most wrapping. Plenty of ways to deal with this, without just taking your chances. Good luck.
I guess I should have been more specific when I said it was not as bad. I thought it would break apart at any moment. When I went again I took a wooden pin to push the tip into and probe out the rot. It's only really bad on one edge about 1"x5"(where my fingers sunk into. I could not stick it in any other place. Still not sailing with it like that though. Boat it being lifted out on the 26 and I'm measuring the spreader today. Takes a few weeks to get the new ones so they will be ready for the spring. I was fearing a gust of wind woud take it down but feel a bit better that one of the bolts was also loose and that was making it move, and not the rot.
10-09-2013 05:25 PM
knuterikt
Re: repairing wooden spreaders with mast steps installed

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did a rig inspection the other day. cables all look good and passed the cotton ball test. (got that book inspecting the aging sailboat)
Good to hear - make sure you inspect all the attachments and he mast tube also

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Originally Posted by dan8152 View Post
The rot is not as bad as I thought and actually one of the bolts was loose. still ordering aluminum spreaders from JSI. They said if I send them the measurements they can make them and I can replace one at a time.
Since the mast is deck stepped it's wise to rig a line as temporary shroud before loosening the shroud.

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My boat I and I like the mast steps (so does the wife) the cables are going to get redone so they don't touch the spreaders.
As the wires for "anti foul halyard kit" is not structural you could look at terminating the lower wire at the step below the spreader and just start above the spreader again.

Not likely that any halyard can get caught there.

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very lucky it's free for you to step the mast. NOT FOR ME

Marina wants over $8 a foot one way and I have the tall rig over 40'

not cheap at all.

I will lower it in a year or two (it's deck stepped mast)
Sorry -
I was only trying to say it is possible to take the mast off/on the boat yourself.
But you need a suitable crane and a place to store the mast while working on it.
But if your only option is this one marina..
10-09-2013 06:50 AM
Minnewaska
Re: repairing wooden spreaders with mast steps installed

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.....so I climbed up the mast and noticed some rot on the starboard spreader and my finger tips sunk in as I was climbing......
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Originally Posted by dan8152 View Post
...The rot is not as bad as I thought and actually one of the bolts was loose.........
Dan, just be sure you aren't rationalizing, because you don't have the resources to unstep the mast. A failed rig can kill you and/or your family. It doesn't reconcile that your finger tips sunk in on one inspection, but is not as bad as you thought on the next.

Do you have the skills/tools to refabricate the wooden spreader yourself? It doesn't look all that complicated from the photo. Even if not perfect and pretty, it would be better than convincing yourself it will be okay as is. Should buy you time to get proper new spreaders. If you insist on keeping the steps, lose the anti-wrap wires at first, and reinstall them as you figure out how to keep them from passing through your new spreaders. Worst case, you wrap a halyard once or twice, before you get back to installing the wires. Who cares, you have steps to go unwrap it. For that matter, bungie the halyard head grommet to the boom and keep some light tension on the halyard and you could avoid most wrapping. Plenty of ways to deal with this, without just taking your chances. Good luck.
10-09-2013 06:16 AM
harmonic
Re: repairing wooden spreaders with mast steps installed

you can take your mast down quite easily in the water I did mine last year I tied alongside a larger yacht and used their halyard to lift my mast out and gently lowered onto my deck.When I fixed my spreaders and mast lights i just reversed the procedure cost a dozen of beer.
10-09-2013 01:41 AM
dan8152
Re: repairing wooden spreaders with mast steps installed

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The wires are still more than 10 years old.
I would at least do a thorough rig inspection - it can be done from a bosuns chair with the mast up.
Loosing the mast will cost you much more than fixing it up front..

If it was my boat I would have ripped those mast steps off...
If you decide to keep them with the "anti foul halyard kits" installed you should look at another way to solve the attachment.
Seems a bad idea to drill large holes through the new spreaders.


Where I keep the boat we have a mast crane that can be used by members of the club who have done the training class for mast crane operation.
So for me the cost of taking the mast off/on = 0$

It's not difficult to take the mast down if you have access to a suitable crane.
You can get lots of useful info here http://www.seldenmast.com/_download....=595-540-E.pdf
Most of this applies to all masts even if this is from Selden

As I already said - having the mast come down is even more costly (and dangerous).

If money is an issue I would have considered to make new spreader(s) in wood (if I could get hold of materials at a reasonable cost).

Are you mast keel or deck stepped?

did a rig inspection the other day. cables all look good and passed the cotton ball test. (got that book inspecting the aging sailboat)

The rot is not as bad as I thought and actually one of the bolts was loose. still ordering aluminum spreaders from JSI. They said if I send them the measurements they can make them and I can replace one at a time.

My boat I and I like the mast steps (so does the wife) the cables are going to get redone so they don't touch the spreaders.

very lucky it's free for you to step the mast. NOT FOR ME

Marina wants over $8 a foot one way and I have the tall rig over 40'

not cheap at all.

I will lower it in a year or two (it's deck stepped mast)
10-05-2013 06:16 AM
knuterikt
Re: repairing wooden spreaders with mast steps installed

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I'm looking at JSI aluminum spreaders. I know from looking at receipts that the stays and shrouds was replaced by the original owner between 1999 and 2002 to (S-2 quality)
The wires are still more than 10 years old.
I would at least do a thorough rig inspection - it can be done from a bosuns chair with the mast up.
Loosing the mast will cost you much more than fixing it up front..
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the steps were installed 1995 and included "anti foul halyard kits" which I am guessing are the cables. They did not look load bearing when I looked at them. so I can remove sections near the spreaders.
If it was my boat I would have ripped those mast steps off...
If you decide to keep them with the "anti foul halyard kits" installed you should look at another way to solve the attachment.
Seems a bad idea to drill large holes through the new spreaders.

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Originally Posted by dan8152 View Post
I'm going to price to have the mast stepped down. I read you can replace one spreader at a time but I have to mail the old ones in to get new ones. Can't do that with the mast up.
Where I keep the boat we have a mast crane that can be used by members of the club who have done the training class for mast crane operation.
So for me the cost of taking the mast off/on = 0$

It's not difficult to take the mast down if you have access to a suitable crane.
You can get lots of useful info here http://www.seldenmast.com/_download....=595-540-E.pdf
Most of this applies to all masts even if this is from Selden
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Originally Posted by dan8152 View Post
Really bad timing as I was putting funds for taking the mast down in a year or two to repaint. If I take it down this year I won't have all the funds.
As I already said - having the mast come down is even more costly (and dangerous).

If money is an issue I would have considered to make new spreader(s) in wood (if I could get hold of materials at a reasonable cost).

Are you mast keel or deck stepped?
10-04-2013 08:55 PM
dan8152
Re: repairing wooden spreaders with mast steps installed

I'm looking at JSI aluminum spreaders. I know from looking at receipts that the stays and shrouds was replaced by the original owner between 1999 and 2002 to (S-2 quality)

the steps were installed 1995 and included "anti foul halyard kits" which I am guessing are the cables. They did not look load bearing when I looked at them. so I can remove sections near the spreaders.


I'm going to price to have the mast stepped down. I read you can replace one spreader at a time but I have to mail the old ones in to get new ones. Can't do that with the mast up.

Really bad timing as I was putting funds for taking the mast down in a year or two to repaint. If I take it down this year I won't have all the funds.
10-04-2013 02:56 PM
knuterikt
Re: repairing wooden spreaders with mast steps installed

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Originally Posted by dan8152 View Post
thanks for the input. I should have climbed up the mast before I bought it but I asked the previous owner and he looked me in the eyes and said no rot and that he paints them every year. I'm kinda freaking out as we spend more on this boat, don't have much left for fixing things, as we thought it was good to go. I'm not sure if I can remove those cables for the ladders. The top of the spreaders has 1/2" or so hole cut for the cables to go through. Those ladder cables are going to cause problems. The ladders look like they are held on with aluminum rivets though and not SS bolts.


Would I be able to epoxy them this year? The catalina direct spreader kit is over $500 and I have to unstep the mast. have been trying to find used spreaders or a way to make my own.
Injecting epoxy into rotted wood will not add strength - don't wast money and time on this.

Since you now have verified that you
a) Don't know the status of the rig
b) Can't trust the PO's abilities as rigger

I would pull the mast for a thorough inspection and repairs before haul out and use the winter to perform this task.

Have you seen this site Best Upgrades

With regards to you mast steps..
I have never seen anything like this, what's the purpose of these wires?
to secure the steps or just to keep halyards from getting tangled in the steps?
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