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15 Minutes Ago 08:27 PM
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Here's the Oyster 885 under construction. Is it me or do Bob's new cutters exhibit much better craftsmanship?

Plexus for all my friends!!!!
55 Minutes Ago 07:48 PM
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

I like the Valiant cabin top just fine, Bob.
56 Minutes Ago 07:46 PM
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Bluewater boats.

Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
Some pics have surfaced showing the damage to POLINA STAR after she was raised...

WOW... "Compromised the integrity of the molded hull" pretty much sums it up, alright... ;-)

A guy claiming to be the captain posted over on CF, denying that there had ever been a grounding or other impact, etc...

This could get "interesting", to say the least...

Oyster Problems? - Page 6 - Cruisers & Sailing Forums

Is that Plexus under that liner? Heh-heh.
1 Hour Ago 07:36 PM
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

No. I can't add anything to that discussion. I don't know any specifics as to the cause. I believe it was beat up over on SA too. I try to hold back unit I have what I feel is enough concrete information before speaking up. There are always so many variables and getting reliable information is always difficult. I'll check the SA thread and see if anything is happening.
1 Hour Ago 06:54 PM
Re: Production Boats and the Limits


Jon has posted (on another thread) some pics of that big Oyster that went down off Spain recently.

Any comments? Seems germane to the topic of this thread.
2 Hours Ago 06:17 PM
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Originally Posted by chall03 View Post
Sorry Out I missed this post....

Unfortunately the boatbuilding industry here in Australia is on it's last legs.

The only boats getting built here( or in NZ) are one off's or very small niche runs which = $$$$
Whilst you're correct that yachts built here tend to be small-run high-$$$ vessels, in fairness to the industry, it simply doesn't make sense to make high-volume sailing yachts in a country where (a) cruising options are severely limited and (b) the only serious racing action is a trip to Hobart once a year. Each of those criteria mean those folks with money to spend generally have their own requirements on what they want their vessel for - and it's been that way ever since the sailing boom post WWII eg. my boat was specifically designed for cruising Sydney Harbour and Pittwater with the occasional stint down the coast. That doesn't mean it's unsuitable for a Tasman crossing.. just that it's designed for a specific set of wind/weather/sea conditions requested by the original owner.

Yes, there was a boom-time in the '70s soon after the trailer-sailer was invented (in New Zealand, BTW) that resulted in a high demand for small cruising yachts (the Compass 28's and the like) once people wanted something bigger, but with a smaller market than Europe and the US and faced with high shipping and labour costs it was never going to last. Perhaps that's why folks like Ron Holland and Bruce Farr left when they did?

Interestingly though, Australia has several high-volume luxury powerboat and power-yacht manufacturers that export to the world - Riviera (built on the Gold Coast) being perhaps the biggest of them - and they are a long way from their last legs. Australia also appears to be leading the world in hull tech as evidenced by some of the stuff Austal put out and the latest Pilot Boats and fast launches that, being designed for the atrocious conditions over here, can easily handle anything found anywhere else on the planet and are thus in high demand.

Maybe the market here right now is for people who can only cope with the wild blue wet stuff for the shortest time possible?!?
10 Hours Ago 10:01 AM
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Many thanks for that update. Sure makes me feel good.
I never thought of the Valiant 40/42 as "beautiful". I think it's good looking but that cabin trunk has bothered me since the day I first saw it. I went back to the office and pulled out the drawings and asked myself, "Did I really draw it like that?" I turned, looked myself squarely in the eye and answered, "Yes." But I learned a lot on that deck and apparently it still works ok.

Glad so many people appreciate the boat. It's nice when I don't have to manufacture my own "glowing reports".

This is not the original sail plan. I gave that to a friend in Poland to hang on his wall. This is a later sail plan I drew for Valiant's founder Nathan Rothman. I like it. I was pretty good at hand drafting. Lots of love and attention to detail in that drawing. I have enjoyed my work.
11 Hours Ago 09:35 AM
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Chall- beautiful well thought out vessels. The B52 is gorgeous but I'm in the same boat. Money buys comfort not happiness. If wishes were kisses. Showed the bride some pics of the CF cutters. She said " doesn't make the sunsets prettier". From the little you posted about your search I'm sure you will pick a great boat and have too much fun. If you buy in the Newport area (other than winter) or the Cheasepeake during late summer early fall please PM me. Love to take you out to dinner.
There's a Valiant 50 in my current yard which is structurally sound. Young family lived on it one year. They trashed the sole and interior but with elbow grease could be brought back to its glory. Was repainted so exterior is a very pretty blue. Heard it would sell for short money
We hope to do the carribean again and then maybe South Pacific. Maybe buddy boat next year.
13 Hours Ago 06:53 AM
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Originally Posted by outbound View Post
What local boats are built in series down by you? The only things I've seen from NZ and Oz have been one offs and beautifully done.
Sorry Out I missed this post....

Unfortunately the boatbuilding industry here in Australia is on it's last legs.

The only boats getting built here( or in NZ) are one off's or very small niche runs which = $$$$

Buizen make beautiful boats but at a premium that places them well beyond the average cruiser.

The comparative equivalent of Outbound yachts here is perhaps Bluewater.
They have been hurt by the high Australian Dollar over the past couple of years. They build solid no fuss cruising boats for people who actually want to go cruising.

Unfortunately these and other local offerings are premium priced and firmly out of our budget. Older boats here also seem to still be asking( but maybe not getting?) silly money.

Which is why we are looking at Moodys on the other side of the world
20 Hours Ago 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by bobperry View Post
Thanks for the feedback Bleems. That's what I want to hear.
Here's a bit more "feedback", Bob...

Just staggered in from the final awards ceremony and dinner of the Caribbean 1500... The crew of the good ship VALHALLA were the Last Men Standing at the beach bar after the festivities tonight...

Your Valiant 42 took 2nd place in the Cruising Division B, behind the Swan 48 ISBJORN owned by the rallymanager... finishing 2nd was essentially preordained, a bit like being the runner-up in a golf tournament organized by the Supreme Leader of South Korea, in which he shot a final round score of 18...


But VALHALLA's owner also took home some additional silverware, receiving a more 'democratic' award decided by a vote of the rest of the participants in the fleet...

On our chart table sits a silver plate that reads:

2015 Caribbean 1500 - MOST BEAUTIFUL YACHT

I'd bet the voting was close to unanimous... All week long back in Portsmouth, I''d meet people, and the response was pretty much always the same:

"Whoa, you're sailing on VALHALLA ? Damn, you lucky bastard, I LOVE the look of that boat, what a sweet ride that's gonna be..."

To some of the more 'shallow' Bluewater Chuckleheads amongst us, looks still count for something...

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