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10-07-2013 11:25 PM
bfloyd4445
Re: Roaches !!!

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Originally Posted by miatapaul View Post
I think I have heard that before, oh that must have been back in the 80's!
Maybe, but its what people do today that wish to avoid toxics that are polluting our world and posionong our bodies. Boric acid is a safe alternative to ants and roaches. I don't trust the USDA of FDA do you?
10-07-2013 11:17 PM
miatapaul
Re: Roaches !!!

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Originally Posted by bfloyd4445 View Post
after a month you just vacuum or mop up the white powder
I think I have heard that before, oh that must have been back in the 80's!
10-07-2013 10:54 PM
bfloyd4445
Re: Roaches !!!

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Originally Posted by AndyF View Post
It would be very easy to get rid of I think, not like a house. A boat cabin is a very confined space. Just seal up the hatches, cover up your food and water supply, and take out every panel and open and empty every drawer and cabinet. Then empty a bug spray can. The cloud will be confined and will go in between the keel stuff down low too, or you could start there.

If you just concerned about the bilge, pour some ethylene glycol down there. It will also prevent any water that you can't get at from freezing.
They may like the sweet taste, but they'll be dead fast.
that wont kill the eggs or egg cases. Boric acid left in nooks and crannies and any place they like to frequent will kill them all within one month. Easy clean up after a month you just vacuum or mop up the white powder
10-07-2013 09:19 PM
Delezynski
Re: Roaches !!!

AndyF,

I expect you could do what you suggest if you are aboard for short times like weekends.

Doing what you suggest is very, VERY difficult for a live aboard! And even worse if you are actually cruising. Where do you put the stuff during the fumigation? On the dock in a foreign port? And it's the foreign ports that you are more apt to contract the problem.

Just saying.....

Greg
10-07-2013 09:10 PM
AndyF
Re: Roaches !!!

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Originally Posted by groundhog View Post
There are roaches walking around on the dock at night here.
Others have asked me if I have seen any on my boat. Until now
I haven't. But my 17 year old crew member reports that she squashed
two of them already.

I have been reading about roaches and getting rid of them.

What advice can you give me?

I read that they need. like, and hang around water. So that means
the bilge and maybe the kitchen sink, maybe the head. also.. water collects under the engine pan.

Is it possible for me to poison the bilge water?
It would be very easy to get rid of I think, not like a house. A boat cabin is a very confined space. Just seal up the hatches, cover up your food and water supply, and take out every panel and open and empty every drawer and cabinet. Then empty a bug spray can. The cloud will be confined and will go in between the keel stuff down low too, or you could start there.

If you just concerned about the bilge, pour some ethylene glycol down there. It will also prevent any water that you can't get at from freezing.
They may like the sweet taste, but they'll be dead fast.
10-07-2013 09:07 PM
bfloyd4445
Re: Roaches !!!

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Originally Posted by miatapaul View Post
This looks like some good stuff. I understand why the EPA would not like it, first they did not get there money to approve it, but more importantly it does look like a child would think it was chalk, and we all knew a kid in grade school that ate both chalk and paste (what ever happened to him?) and that could easily be deadly. So if you have children around, especially if you frequently have guests with children, I think it would be safe to say do not use or have around the boat! But if you are an adult and understand to not eat chalk, especially this chalk then you should be OK. I like the way it looks like it can be used in a very controlled fashion. But don't like that it looks like a child's toy.

To my idea looks like a use with caution product.
excuse me. I was one of the paste eaters, tasty stuff. Chalk is diatomaceous earth, why would anyone eat that? Paste was made from rendered animal parts hoofs and stuff. Do you think it may have effected me????
10-07-2013 08:53 PM
miatapaul
Re: Roaches !!!

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Originally Posted by pdqaltair View Post
I have no insecticide phobia, I just like to keep things to a minimum. Re. borax, I think it's great stuff, just not food.

The EPA gets rather vocal about the chalk...
Insecticide Chalk | Pesticides | US EPA
... and I can see their point about labling and kids. Not much of a concern for retired cruisers.

Wiki on the other hand said it "contains the pesticides deltamethrin and cypermethrin" and "Despite its illegal status, 'Chinese Chalk' is still imported from China and sold in Chinatowns in the United States. Worldwide, the product remains very popular due to its effectiveness in rapidly controlling crawling household insect infestations without fumes, foul smells or sticky toxic residues, and its relatively low overall toxin content compared to other insecticides."

The ingredients seem to be thought relatively safe.
Deltamethrin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Cypermethrin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These are used in the US. Thus, it is only the packaging that the USEPA hates, which makes sense. Seems like a good product to me, specifically because application can be so well controlled.
This looks like some good stuff. I understand why the EPA would not like it, first they did not get there money to approve it, but more importantly it does look like a child would think it was chalk, and we all knew a kid in grade school that ate both chalk and paste (what ever happened to him?) and that could easily be deadly. So if you have children around, especially if you frequently have guests with children, I think it would be safe to say do not use or have around the boat! But if you are an adult and understand to not eat chalk, especially this chalk then you should be OK. I like the way it looks like it can be used in a very controlled fashion. But don't like that it looks like a child's toy.

To my idea looks like a use with caution product.
10-07-2013 06:35 PM
bfloyd4445
Re: Roaches !!!

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Originally Posted by pdqaltair View Post
This, from the FDA

Food Additive Status List

"Borax - MISC, ILL, No petition filed, Illegal for use in foods incl. wax ctg for fruits and vegetables. MID permits use in export meats."

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Confusing, perhaps, because the lists include both permissible AND forbidden chemicals.
it is confusing. below is a link to page four of the list of all allowed food additives and you can see boric acid is listed

Everything Added to Food in the United States (EAFUS)

the code NUL, associated with boric acid means <>
I guess that is why it is still on the ok list.
10-07-2013 06:14 PM
pdqaltair
Re: Roaches !!!

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Originally Posted by bfloyd4445 View Post
I find borax on the prohibited list but not boric acid. That's why I researched further and found it listed as ok which I posted earlier
How do you figure (Reference)?

"10.2.2.5 Borates
A. Introduction

Boric Acid has been prohibited for use in foods as a preservative."

Volume IV - 10.2 Food and Color Additives

I believe you will find that it is approved as a preservative in paper products and adhesives that are in indirect food contact. I suspect that is the listing you found.
10-07-2013 05:56 PM
bfloyd4445
Re: Roaches !!!

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Originally Posted by pdqaltair View Post
This, from the FDA

Food Additive Status List

"Borax - MISC, ILL, No petition filed, Illegal for use in foods incl. wax ctg for fruits and vegetables. MID permits use in export meats."

---

Confusing, perhaps, because the lists include both permissible AND forbidden chemicals.
I find borax on the prohibited list but not boric acid. That's why I researched further and found it listed as ok which I posted earlier
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