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17 Minutes Ago 06:36 PM
smackdaddy
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by Brent Swain View Post
This is an interesting post a professional engineer posted on the origami boats site.
What's an origami boat? Is it a production boat too?





Anyway - this is all you really need to know regarding the relevancy of that guys' thoughts to this discussion:

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I have read anecdotes of how fibreglass yacht outfits on the verge of bankruptcy in the 70's and 80's had unskilled labourers spraying and laying the hulls up...
I don't make decisions based on anecdotes. I like actual evidence.
49 Minutes Ago 06:03 PM
chall03
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Oh hey there Brent....



2 Hours Ago 04:16 PM
Brent Swain
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

This is an interesting post a professional engineer posted on the origami boats site. Kinda undermines the proposal of a cheap plastic boat being the answer for low budget cruisers. I'm sure with today's cost of material, this is more prevalent than ever with new production boats. This is why a lot of more experienced cruisers end up building their own boats, after putting enough miles in their wakes.

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Further, about testing and quality control. I have read anecdotes of how fibreglass yacht outfits on the verge of bankruptcy in the 70's and 80's had unskilled labourers spraying and laying the hulls up, anything to get them out the door cheap and fast. With the price of resin going up fast (oil crisis of the early 1970s) there was a lot of economic pressure to get it done and out the door with as little material cost as possible. Yes, a lot of those boats sailed for a while, but, that era left a real stain on the reputation of fibreglass. Even if one buys a boat originally made by a financially solvent builder who valued not making crap hulls, and never used a chopper spray gun, what was the quality control? What kept the material defects out? Constant human vigilance as the laminate was made. There is nothing more fallible. Once it was laminated, there was no economical way to go back and make sure it was right, no way to detect "good enough for Friday" work when the constant vigilance turned their back for a moment. Did they ever scrap a hull that failed quality control? What did they do with hulls that did not meet their standards? Perhaps they laid in more fibreglass and made a slightly heavier boat that met their standards. There are worse things, like just installing the interior panelling and sticking a price tag on it.
2 Hours Ago 04:11 PM
bobperry
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

54: you are truly a courageous fellow. My hat is off to you.
2 Hours Ago 04:06 PM
Aaron42
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

I have not read all 188 pages of this thread and I'm a fairly new sailor, but I'd like to suggest maybe it's that it's up to you to decide whether a boat is well equipped enough to be an acceptable blue water boat rather than any specific things about the boat?

For example: could I load up my engineless 1984 Hunter 23 with water & ramen noodles and sail east until I hit Africa or Europe? Sure. But everything in the world would have to go right in order for me to make the journey alive and no one would be shocked to hear that it didn't go well. On the other hand we sometimes hear of well equipped ocean going vessels not surviving a journey and think "how did that happen?!"

So are you the more adventurous type who would sail off into the sunset without too much worry about having the latest and greatest boat and equipment? Or are you more meticulous about having everything you could possibly need in order to make the journey.
3 Hours Ago 03:07 PM
jerryrlitton
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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I did the unthinkable this past weekend. I took my 1985 C36 production boat out into the Gulf Stream. I had a wonderful time. Rudder did not fall off, mast and rigging still intact, weather was absolutely beautiful.
That you are still here could be attributed to the beautiful weather.....
3 Hours Ago 03:05 PM
smackdaddy
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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I did the unthinkable this past weekend. I took my 1985 C36 production boat out into the Gulf Stream. I had a wonderful time. Rudder did not fall off, mast and rigging still intact, weather was absolutely beautiful.
Obviously you were very fortunate....






...to have not fallen for the BWC hype.
3 Hours Ago 02:57 PM
Solar54
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

I did the unthinkable this past weekend. I took my 1985 C36 production boat out into the Gulf Stream. I had a wonderful time. Rudder did not fall off, mast and rigging still intact, weather was absolutely beautiful.
4 Weeks Ago 06:45 AM
jerryrlitton
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by chall03 View Post
Fightclub

Lol too funny but seriously, after seeing all the crap that goes on here (this thread)it is amazing it has not been regulated to the same place the nug threads go. Wait a minute, let me put this thing on pause while I get the popcorn..........................ok carry on.
4 Weeks Ago 06:30 AM
chall03
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Did you have something you wanted to say directly to me Jon?
Fightclub

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