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4 Hours Ago 10:45 AM
SVAuspicious
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by ianjoub View Post
I am looking at some Garcias. Does anyone have an opinion on these as 'blue water cruisers'?
I've only sailed one Garcia, on delivery from Newport to Annapolis. There were some oddities, some driven by the owner, but they are very solid boats that I would not hesitate to take anywhere. Look carefully at the routing of running rigging headed aft - the one I was one had a huge number of turns in the lines.

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Originally Posted by Don0190 View Post
At CF there definitely is a mod preference on what is allowed, unless it is posted by the mods. And it definitely is allowed to trash production boats and the bashers can say any crap they want, but you aren't allowed to push back using the same insulting tone. And once you go against a couple of the mods they become your stalker and follow you around in wait. I got a 3 day ban and a "strike" for being "snarky". I have been on CF a long time and have over 8000 posts and all of a sudden I'm too "snarky".
I got a two-week ban from CF for agreeing with a mod. Figure that out. I can't.
5 Hours Ago 10:32 AM
Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by Don0190 View Post
At CF there definitely is a mod preference on what is allowed, unless it is posted by the mods. And it definitely is allowed to trash production boats and the bashers can say any crap they want, but you aren't allowed to push back using the same insulting tone. And once you go against a couple of the mods they become your stalker and follow you around in wait. I got a 3 day ban and a "strike" for being "snarky". I have been on CF a long time and have over 8000 posts and all of a sudden I'm too "snarky".

But far as production boat limits I still don't think there is any issue with any modern 40'+ boat. The bashers always post the same old same old "issues" that are only problems in their minds. I spend a lot of time researching the topic before I got my Hunter 410. The only real problem I didn't uncover well was that if you get a production boat you need to really stop reading internet forums!

Don, aka Sailorboy1
Only trouble with your comment Don is that it makes it hard to explain the several CF mods who own production boats themselves & often speak highly of them, the many long-time members like yourself who own & often praise them, and the experienced delivery captains, technical folks, & other seasoned cruisers who frequently & objectively explain the various strengths & weaknesses of these types of boats. Are there those who point out issues with build quality & failures? Of course! That's what forums are about. But there are also others who post about circumnavigations, etc. At the same time there are those who discuss things they don't like about more traditional boats. It's all just information that intelligent readers can then use to draw their own conclusions.

Given how many views from all sides were allowed to be expressed on CF on just Smack's threads alone, it's hard to believe the mods are out to quash opinions they happen not to agree with personally. As I've said, I think it's more about tone than content, and they are probably more inclined to intervene if/when someone complains. But hey -- you're entitled to your opinion too!
5 Hours Ago 09:48 AM
Don0190
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

At CF there definitely is a mod preference on what is allowed, unless it is posted by the mods. And it definitely is allowed to trash production boats and the bashers can say any crap they want, but you aren't allowed to push back using the same insulting tone. And once you go against a couple of the mods they become your stalker and follow you around in wait. I got a 3 day ban and a "strike" for being "snarky". I have been on CF a long time and have over 8000 posts and all of a sudden I'm too "snarky".

But far as production boat limits I still don't think there is any issue with any modern 40'+ boat. The bashers always post the same old same old "issues" that are only problems in their minds. I spend a lot of time researching the topic before I got my Hunter 410. The only real problem I didn't uncover well was that if you get a production boat you need to really stop reading internet forums!

Don, aka Sailorboy1
12 Hours Ago 02:41 AM
Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post

(PS - I meant to ask you...you kept saying over on CF that I was "bragging" here and on SA about getting flicked there. Where was I bragging about that exactly?)
First saw this in a post by Minaret early on in one of your CF threads. You never denied or took issue with M.'s post at the time or when me or others repeated it. Your own blog publicizes in a humorous way your various forum bans, incl. the previous one from CF and now the recent permanent one. Curiously, it was only after your permanent ban did I read where you claimed you never intended to get yourself banned from CF.

Based on this record, are you now saying you weren't purposely trying to get yourself banned? Another poster attributes your motivation to exactly this, claims he read about your posts about it on two other forums, and you don't respond? Is this why you're attributing the permanent ban on CF to a mere single post? Given the history of previous bans & warnings, it's all the fault of the CF mods? Or maybe you didn't anticipate the ban being permanent this time?

Let's face it, I've had a few posts deleted over on CF as well, and it's really not very difficult to comply after you've received a warning. If you disapprove of their rules . . . well . . . it's a privately owned website and I guess you can choose to leave -- voluntarily or involuntarily!
15 Hours Ago 12:33 AM
Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
Yeah, as you probably know by now, I don't mind drama as long as things are kept fair across the board. SN's mods are really good about finding that balance. CF's not so much.

Anyway, good to see you around. Tell Keno Oysters are iceberg magnets, will ya? Heh-heh.
Could be a different approach taken by the mods on the two forums, or it could be your style. You seem a bit more laid back over here, so maybe some of the CF guys just ticked you off? A bit ironic, but I never even saw your "dingy" post until after it was put back up the following day. You & the CF mods had been going at it long before that, however, so hard to believe it was just that one post. Either way, there's no denying you started some threads with popular topics! And they continue to bring out remarkable stories, from Oysters getting sunk by icebergs to singlehanded, parapalegic sailors circumnavigating on big production boats! So you made a lasting contribution, even if you couldn't help but be irritating as hell.

Getting back on topic, I had to laugh. I'm reading one of Hal Roth's books right now -- no denying that guy's sailing creds, right? Anyway, he's going on & on about how he prefers bolted-on keels over encapsulated. Keeps talking about how the bolt-ons are stronger & thus safer in a grounding because the lead/iron ballast vs. the fiberglass takes the stress. Go figure! (Where's that beat-head-on-wall smilie??). I guess it's more about the quality/integrity of the construction vs. the type necessarily, and of course it's about everyone having an opinion. Still, after all the debating . . . .
15 Hours Ago 11:45 PM
smackdaddy
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Yeah, as you probably know by now, I don't mind drama as long as things are kept fair across the board. SN's mods are really good about finding that balance. CF's not so much.

Anyway, good to see you around. Tell Keno Oysters are iceberg magnets, will ya? Heh-heh.

(PS - I meant to ask you...you kept saying over on CF that I was "bragging" here and on SA about getting flicked there. Where was I bragging about that exactly?)
16 Hours Ago 11:29 PM
Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
Hey, Ex - welcome to SN dude.

I'm very familiar with Mike H. I've posted about him a few times in threads like these. The guy was seriously tough. No question.

Did you see where he was severely beaten while aboard his Hunter in St. Martin (I think) a few years ago? I'm pretty sure the perpetrator was an insecure Oyster or Hinckley owner.
Let's hope Keno doesn't read that one! I'm actually good with your Oyster/Hinckley theory, esp. since it takes the suspicion off the Bristol guys. I hear those types can get pretty dang irritated getting passed under full sail by the bolt-on keel crowd.

I wasn't surprised to hear that Hunters have circumnavigated, just surprised that I hadn't been previously informed by the likes of you, RTB, Sailorboy & others. I guess I need to get out more.

Been lurking here on SN for awhile, and have posted a few times over the years. Lately there's been quite a bit more drama over at CF, however, so I guess I got distracted.
16 Hours Ago 10:55 PM
travlineasy
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

17 Hours Ago 10:30 PM
smackdaddy
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by Exile1 View Post
Yo Smack -- not enough posts to pm you back. All I can say is that she was a dingBAT but clean!

Polux must be missing you over on CF. He just found 2-3 more Hunters that have circumnavigated, incl. Mike Harker who did it on a Hunter 49 while singlehanded and w/o full use of his legs (he was partially paralyzed). Amazing story -- check it out on the Production Boats thread on CF.
Hey, Ex - welcome to SN dude.

I'm very familiar with Mike H. I've posted about him a few times in threads like these. The guy was seriously tough. No question.

Did you see where he was severely beaten while aboard his Hunter in St. Martin (I think) a few years ago? I'm pretty sure the perpetrator was an insecure Oyster or Hinckley owner.
17 Hours Ago 10:24 PM
Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Yo Smack -- not enough posts to pm you back. All I can say is that she was a dingBAT but clean!

Polux must be missing you over on CF. He just found 2-3 more Hunters that have circumnavigated, incl. Mike Harker who did it on a Hunter 49 while singlehanded and w/o full use of his legs (he was partially paralyzed). Amazing story -- check it out on the Production Boats thread on CF.
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