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10-11-2013 08:58 AM
PCP
Re: Chartering a sailboat in Sicily!

Quote:
Originally Posted by DougSabbag View Post
Paulo,

You (and others) are convincing Evelyn and I to do the Sardinian cruise.

On the "70 Euros for a mooring", while that is not cheap it is nevertheless, not a problem.

My email is: (all one word- without spaces) Doug Sabbag @ aol

Thank you very much!

Doug
I try to send it to you but the email does not work like that: it is dougsabbag@aol.com?
10-10-2013 09:50 AM
PCP
Re: Chartering a sailboat in Sicily!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yachtjuno View Post
PCP, you are right we probably like to do different things. We do anchor whenever we can but then we like to occasionally travel inland and see the countries we are visiting such as the Roman Temples at Agrigento that date back to 500 BC or the sublime piazza in the hilltop town of La Ragusa or the fish market in Ortigia - and then its nice to get back to the comfort and of the boat. If you are always on the hook theres a danger that you never see the marvels of these European gems.
I agree, unless you are an European and cruise on those places in your own car out of the sailing season

Yes Sicily has bigger cities and was more important in the old world so its cultural density its much bigger than Corsica or Sardinia but almost all of those places are faraway from the coast. Due to the bigger population the old places by the coast like Messina or Augusta were transformed in ugly industrial cities.

If I understand correctly you live on the boat and come from the states so it makes sense to leave the boat in a marina and travel the interior with a rented car but to someone that it is chartering a boat that does mot make much sense: You want to take advantage of the boat. Regarding that probably the density of small nice towns, some historical ones, in Sardinia and Sicilia makes more sense to me. You can leave the boat on anchor or in the marina and just go into a nice old town.

If you are not cruising with your own boat and want to visit the historical nice (and romantic) Italian towns it makes more sense to come by airplane and rent a car even if after that you will rent a boat. Most interesting places are not on the shore but in the interior where a less urban pressure had contributed to their conservation: Toscany and the North of Italy are among my favorites. On the South there are some nice places but the poverty and lack of resources had not allowed yet a nice recovery. Syracuse is a good example of that, it is a town that is nicer at night when you cannot really see the degradation in the buildings. There are material there to make it one day an incredible place, may the financial condition in those parts allow that.

Regards

Paulo
10-10-2013 09:26 AM
Yachtjuno
Re: Chartering a sailboat in Sicily!

PCP, you are right we probably like to do different things. We do anchor whenever we can but then we like to occasionally travel inland and see the countries we are visiting such as the Roman Temples at Agrigento that date back to 500 BC or the sublime piazza in the hilltop town of La Ragusa or the fish market in Ortigia - and then its nice to get back to the comfort and of the boat. If you are always on the hook theres a danger that you never see the marvels of these European gems.
10-09-2013 09:58 PM
PCP
Re: Chartering a sailboat in Sicily!

Obviously Yachtjuno and myself will not value things the same way. I do know some of the places that he consider very nice, like Siracusa or Amalfi were I have been this year and they are indeed nice even if only Siracusa offers a decent anchorage (I have been on anchor in Amalfi too but it is not really a good anchorage) and I agree with him that Sicily has fantastic food and wine even if one of my absolute preferences in wines is Cananau from Sardinia.

It seems Yachtjuno traveled a lot by car while leaving the boat at the marina and that may be a difference because I did not travel without being by boat and I prefer to have a boat on a nice anchorage and visit a town using the dinghy, maybe that is another difference too.

I would say that Sicily coast is much more densely populated than Corsica or Sardinia coast with many heavily industrialized ports and cities. Certainly Sicily has great towns and villages but it is difficult to find really nice anchorages and unspoiled places.

Maybe some pictures would help to explain what I mean:

Sardinia:



Yes you can take a buoy just in front in the same place Carthaginians and Romans use to anchor.















Corsica













All these photos were taken in July or August. I would say that in Mars you will find all those anchorages almost without boats even if they still offer excellent protection.
10-09-2013 04:40 PM
Yachtjuno
Re: Chartering a sailboat in Sicily!

Doug
I don't have any experience of the charter companies but we sailed our boat from Sardinia along the south coast of Sicily, through the straits of Messina, up to the aeolian islands and on to the amalfi coast of Italy. We have sailed all over the med but this was the best trip ever! Sicily is amazing with probably the best food in the world, friendly people and rich with culture. During the summer it is as hot as Hades but glorious. Too many names to mention here but Ortigia, the old town of Syracuse, has the best restaurants. Climb Stromboli in the aeolian islands and chill out in my favourite island of Panarea. Some more on our blog if you are interested. You will love it!
10-09-2013 04:04 PM
DougSabbag
Re: Chartering a sailboat in Sicily!

Quote:
Originally Posted by PCP View Post
On the last number of vela :

Giornale Della Vela | Scopri il numero di Vela di ottobre in edicola e su iPad Ecco com il nostro Salone con oltre 130 barche appena varate o che scenderanno in acqua nei p

They have an article regarding sailing on the south coast of Sicily. It confirms what I had said, lots of places to stay (in ports or marinas) but few places sheltered for anchoring...and the places are expensive. They talk about having paid 70 euros for a buoy (prices for boats over 10m).

Maybe you can command the magazine...or send me your email on a PM and I will scan the article for you (I arrived yesterday from Rome and bought the magazine to read on the airplane).

For me Sardinia/Corsica easily beats Sicily. It is not by accident that the French call Corsica "the beautiful Island". In Sardinia and Corsica some marinas are also expensive but you gave a lot more nice places to stay safely on anchor (I have cruising all around both Islands).

Regards

Paulo

Paulo
Paulo,

You (and others) are convincing Evelyn and I to do the Sardinian cruise.

On the "70 Euros for a mooring", while that is not cheap it is nevertheless, not a problem.

My email is: (all one word- without spaces) Doug Sabbag @ aol

Thank you very much!

Doug
10-09-2013 02:49 PM
PCP
Re: Chartering a sailboat in Sicily!

On the last number of vela :

Giornale Della Vela | Scopri il numero di Vela di ottobre in edicola e su iPad Ecco com il nostro Salone con oltre 130 barche appena varate o che scenderanno in acqua nei p

They have an article regarding sailing on the south coast of Sicily. It confirms what I had said, lots of places to stay (in ports or marinas) but few places sheltered for anchoring...and the places are expensive. They talk about having paid 70 euros for a buoy (prices for boats over 10m).

Maybe you can command the magazine...or send me your email on a PM and I will scan the article for you (I arrived yesterday from Rome and bought the magazine to read on the airplane).

For me Sardinia/Corsica easily beats Sicily. It is not by accident that the French call Corsica "the beautiful Island". In Sardinia and Corsica some marinas are also expensive but you gave a lot more nice places to stay safely on anchor (I have cruising all around both Islands).

Regards

Paulo

Paulo
10-05-2013 11:53 AM
DougSabbag
Re: Chartering a sailboat in Sicily!

So.... it looks like we have 3 choices:

1. Start the cruise at Palermo, Sicily and work our way NE toward Stromboli.

2. Start the cruise at Marsala, Sicily and work our way SW toward Malta.

3. Start our cruise at Cannigione, Sardinia and work our way N toward French Corsica.

Considering we are hoping to experience the romantic, historic sights, seaside cafes, with some high end / interesting shopping, great food, wine, natural beauty and good anchorages and, or, marinas, in the month of March, does anyone have any suggestions from their experience of those areas?

Thank you,
Doug
10-02-2013 05:56 PM
PCP
Re: Chartering a sailboat in Sicily!

Quote:
Originally Posted by DougSabbag View Post
Paulo - This is excellent information you shared! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

About the Sardinia / French Corsica / Ponza advise, would they be too cold in early March? That is when we are doing this. So, we thought the more southern area would be better - but it sounds like you would know a lot better than me!

I am about to paste a long quote right straight from the Sicilian chartering web site, would you review it and perhaps add your anchorage info, etc.???

And would we enjoy this itinerary - either the Northern one or the southern?

"Starting your cruise from our base in Palermo, a city of numerous monuments, you can sail East to Cefalu, a bustling tourist resort built about the original picturesque fishing village. Within 35 miles from the coast lies the Archipelago of the Aeolian Islands. There are 7 islands that are peaks of volcanoes and two remain active: Stromboli and Gran Cratere on Vulcano. Although there are no really secure harbours, there are sufficient harbours and anchorages sheltered from the prevailing summer winds to make it well worthwhile cruising around this magnificent archipelago. The normal summer winds are from the NW occasionally going around the W. There may also be winds from the NE. Choosing to sail North of Palermo at 36 miles there is Ustica island also an island of volcanic origin.

Our second base in Sicily is located in Marsala, a picturesque town, founded by the Carthaginians , well known from the popular wine. Marsala it's a pleasant relaxed place from where you can sail North West for visiting in a range of 25 miles the Egadi Islands that are three principal islands, Favignana, Marettimo and Levanzo, or sailling South for visiting Pantelleria, an island of volcanic origin, and the barren rocky island of Lampedusa that has recently become popular for the good underwater fishing around the coast. Marsala is also ideal as a starting point to Malta (120 miles) and of course to Tunisia
."

Thank you!
I cannot comment what I don't know but because I was sailing on that region I had a good look at google earth and Sicily does not look very good neither Pantelaria or Lampedusa.

Regarding climate I am not sure that Sardinia, at least from the middle to the south is colder than Sicily.

Click in animation on this site:

Regional Map | Weather Underground

and look for average temperatures on both places on those sites:

Sardinia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Weather in Sicily - average temperatures for Sicily, Italy from knowital.com

http://www.knowital.com/weather/sardinia/

Mars can be pretty cold unless you live in a cold climate, for one used to a Mediterranean climate it is cold and also quite unstable with a lot of rain and the weather can turn quite nasty on the Med at that time. The French old navy sailors called the Med "La Garce" that could be freely translated by "the bitch". You can get lucky...or not.

April is better and May a lot better.

Regards

Paulo
10-02-2013 04:30 PM
DougSabbag
Re: Chartering a sailboat in Sicily!

Paulo - This is excellent information you shared! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

About the Sardinia / French Corsica / Ponza advise, would they be too cold in early March? That is when we are doing this. So, we thought the more southern area would be better - but it sounds like you would know a lot better than me!

I am about to paste a long quote right straight from the Sicilian chartering web site, would you review it and perhaps add your anchorage info, etc.???

And would we enjoy this itinerary - either the Northern one or the southern?

"Starting your cruise from our base in Palermo, a city of numerous monuments, you can sail East to Cefalu, a bustling tourist resort built about the original picturesque fishing village. Within 35 miles from the coast lies the Archipelago of the Aeolian Islands. There are 7 islands that are peaks of volcanoes and two remain active: Stromboli and Gran Cratere on Vulcano. Although there are no really secure harbours, there are sufficient harbours and anchorages sheltered from the prevailing summer winds to make it well worthwhile cruising around this magnificent archipelago. The normal summer winds are from the NW occasionally going around the W. There may also be winds from the NE. Choosing to sail North of Palermo at 36 miles there is Ustica island also an island of volcanic origin.

Our second base in Sicily is located in Marsala, a picturesque town, founded by the Carthaginians , well known from the popular wine. Marsala it's a pleasant relaxed place from where you can sail North West for visiting in a range of 25 miles the Egadi Islands that are three principal islands, Favignana, Marettimo and Levanzo, or sailling South for visiting Pantelleria, an island of volcanic origin, and the barren rocky island of Lampedusa that has recently become popular for the good underwater fishing around the coast. Marsala is also ideal as a starting point to Malta (120 miles) and of course to Tunisia
."

Thank you!
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