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4 Minutes Ago 07:50 PM
smackdaddy
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Dude, when you can see the panoramic view out those windows sitting down, you then need to be a freakin' midget to stand-up in the damn thing. Trade offs. Pffft.

That Hunter looks sweet. As does this Jeanneau 54:



Look at how well that purse fits on the spacious nav table!

These boats make that Morris look...sad. Especially sad when the Master has to do the cooking.
28 Minutes Ago 07:27 PM
JonEisberg
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
Gaaaaak. What the hell are they thinking????? That thing is a nightmare on many levels.

The slave quarters forward of the settee are a very nice touch. Though the master being stuck in a tiny quarterberth with no head makes little sense. And where is the proper-paper-chart-ready nav table Jon?
Starboard side, forward, looks like to me...

And, the "Master" on that boat is forward, I believe...





Agreed, I don't care for that layout at all... Hell, even on a Valiant 42, the galley is too far from the companionway, for me. I only posted that one to illustrate the shape of the hull, after all :-)

I'll take the 45 RS, instead... the 48 is too big for me, anyway... :-)





Lots of tradeoffs with a raised salon, that's the primary element that interior is designed around, after all... But at least Morris got it right, and the settees are elevated sufficiently to be able to take in that panoramic view, while remaining seated...

Unlike the Hunter 45 DS, where one would have to stand up every time they might want to look outside those big picture windows...

How stoopid is that?

:-))

You can have the galley up and the settees below, or vice versa, but not both in a yacht of that size...


30 Minutes Ago 07:24 PM
SVAuspicious
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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I am sure that Morris is gorgeous, but I would like to have the galley in an aft corner, but I guess the people in second cabin don't want to work any further than they have to at night to go for a pee. I wonder if I showed up there with seven figures plus if they would build one for me with a different interior?
Given a choice of a head at the base of the companionway and the galley I would definitely choose the head.
1 Hour Ago 06:42 PM
JonEisberg
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by Don0190 View Post
That the best you can do? I understand you are one of those people only posting on certain threads to just be a hater (otherwise you wouldn't ever be reading this thread). But really now at least come with something new that hasn't already been proven to be a useless point!
Perhaps I should have bolded the :-), huh?

So, whether a boat has a backstay or not has been PROVEN unworthy of mention, huh? Damn, who knew?

Yeah, I'm a true blue HunterHater alright, through and through... :-)

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/2225090-post5.html

My apologies if my sharing impressions of certain features, or experience with particular boats, offends the delicate sensibilities of the owners of any particular 'Brand(s)'... Would these discussions really be better served by adhering to the advice we all once heard from Grandma, "If you can't say something nice, don't..." ?

I guarantee you, I've griped far more about some of the features of a single Trintella 50 on sailing forums over the years, than all the Hunters I've delivered put together...

There, feel any better, now?

;-))
1 Hour Ago 06:35 PM
smackdaddy
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
They've yet to abandon the backstay, however... And, their refrigerators can still be opened on either tack... :-)
Enjoy it while it's still there. It won't be for long.

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Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
Nor, would I read too much into a single design/prototype from Hinckley primarily intended for racing... I've yet to see a Morris with a stern that would qualify as being "Wide", by today's standards...


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Gaaaaak. What the hell are they thinking????? That thing is a nightmare on many levels.

The slave quarters forward of the settee are a very nice touch. Though the master being stuck in a tiny quarterberth with no head makes little sense. And where is the proper-paper-chart-ready nav table Jon?



It's okay. But it's no Jeanneau. Looks kinda cheap.

PS - Wait, I see, they say this on their site:

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Morris Yachts has been building sailboats by hand, one at a time…
That makes more sense. Maye they won't screw up the next one.
1 Hour Ago 06:31 PM
killarney_sailor
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

I am sure that Morris is gorgeous, but I would like to have the galley in an aft corner, but I guess the people in second cabin don't want to work any further than they have to at night to go for a pee. I wonder if I showed up there with seven figures plus if they would build one for me with a different interior?
1 Hour Ago 06:11 PM
Don0190
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
They've yet to abandon the backstay, however...

That the best you can do? I understand you are one of those people only posting on certain threads to just be a hater (otherwise you wouldn't ever be reading this thread). But really now at least come with something new that hasn't already been proven to be a useless point!
1 Hour Ago 05:58 PM
ramonred
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Hi Everyone,

I'm in the process at looking at an Alberg 30 project boat as a potential offshore candiate - was just curious if anyone here as had any experience with this model. I do understand there is a great amount of info out on the web and have been doing some research there, but I would also be interested in any informed opinions of actual owners or those who have sailed on one.

Thanks
1 Hour Ago 05:57 PM
jorgenl
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
They've yet to abandon the backstay, however... And, their refrigerators can still be opened on either tack... :-)





Nor, would I read too much into a single design/prototype from Hinckley primarily intended for racing... I've yet to see a Morris with a stern that would qualify as being "Wide", by today's standards...


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The importance of 'Quality' as an element of yacht construction might be difficult for some to appreciate, it would appear...

:-))

No pilot berths on the Morris?
Forward galley?

Better not leave the ICW in this death trap.
2 Hours Ago 05:50 PM
JonEisberg
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by Don0190 View Post
Meanwhile;

I notice that semi-custom builders like Morris and Hinckley are now building boats with "modern" flatter bottom, wider stern, bolted on keels, spade rudders.
They've yet to abandon the backstay, however... And, their refrigerators can still be opened on either tack... :-)





Nor, would I read too much into a single design/prototype from Hinckley primarily intended for racing... I've yet to see a Morris with a stern that would qualify as being "Wide", by today's standards...


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Originally Posted by Don0190 View Post
How does that play into the story normally played out on why production boats can't "do it"?
The importance of 'Quality' as an element of yacht construction might be difficult for some to appreciate, it would appear...

:-))
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