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10-13-2013 09:10 PM
chip
Re: Had the boat two days, two problems already...

I have a furler, and it's ok. I got it second hand, and they made me an offer I couldn't refuse. Managing the foil when taking the mast up or down is pain, and the sail shape is probably marginally worse with a furler, but it is pretty convenient.

If I had it to do over again, I probably would have stuck with hank-ons, but would have rigged a downhaul so that I could get the headsail down in a hurry from the cockpit if anything weird happened. I thought I broke my furler at the end of last season, and was fully prepared to just rip it off and go back to hanks, but it didn't die, so eh...

I'd try it without a furler for a while and see if you really need it.
10-13-2013 08:44 PM
Alex W
Re: Had the boat two days, two problems already...

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Originally Posted by Minnesail View Post
That's good to know, thank you. The boat came with four headsails, from a storm jib to a 170 drifter. Roller furling is very handy, but very expensive.... I may well stay with the hank on.

I do want a main cover though. The previous owner kept the main below and rigged it all up every time he sailed. I would like to make it easier than that.
Main sail cover is very useful. Luckily they are also pretty cheap. There are a couple of people on eBay who are making them out of Sunbrella for around $100.

I don't think the storm jib was ever used on our Catalina 25. We didn't have a double reefing main that would keep the boat balanced with that little foresail. If space below is a concern then I'd keep that and the drifter at home, keep the working jib and genoa onboard.
10-13-2013 05:46 PM
daddyhobbit
Re: Had the boat two days, two problems already...

Minnesail,
Yes, this sometimes is what owning a sailboat is about, but the other times make up for it. The problems that you have encountered do not make the boat un-seaworthy. Pump the tire up, clear the clog in the drain and go sailing. Every time I have a problem with Osprey I fix it and then go for a sail, at times I forgo the fix and just sail then fix the issue.
Hang in there, once you have addressed all the issues the next sail will be spectacular considering you repaired and made your way out into the waters.
Jim
SV Osprey
Saint Thomas VI
10-13-2013 05:26 PM
Minnesail
Re: Had the boat two days, two problems already...

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Originally Posted by Alex W View Post
I wouldn't put roller furling on a Catalina 22. Get two foresails, a jib in the 135-150% size range and another in the 100-110% size range. A hank-on headsail is really easy to manage on this size of boat, and the 100% headsail will sail a whole lot better than a 135% rolled down to 100%. Since storage space is tight on a 22' boat it's worth getting a jib-bag that can cover a hank-on sail while it is still hanked on. Save that investment for the next boat
That's good to know, thank you. The boat came with four headsails, from a storm jib to a 170 drifter. Roller furling is very handy, but very expensive.... I may well stay with the hank on.

I do want a main cover though. The previous owner kept the main below and rigged it all up every time he sailed. I would like to make it easier than that.
10-13-2013 02:56 PM
hellosailor
Re: Had the boat two days, two problems already...

I could see cheaping out and using a regular trailer tire, instead of a proper marine-grade tire, for the front of the trailer or just as a spare. But honest, using coat hanger wire instead of the proper marine-grade bronze or stainless scupper drain cleaning wires? What's next, sneakers instead of proper deck shoes?
10-13-2013 12:31 PM
Alex W
Re: Had the boat two days, two problems already...

I wouldn't put roller furling on a Catalina 22. Get two foresails, a jib in the 135-150% size range and another in the 100-110% size range. A hank-on headsail is really easy to manage on this size of boat, and the 100% headsail will sail a whole lot better than a 135% rolled down to 100%. Since storage space is tight on a 22' boat it's worth getting a jib-bag that can cover a hank-on sail while it is still hanked on. Save that investment for the next boat (or don't...I often wonder why I put roller furling on my Pearson).

Spinnaker pole expense is in the ends, not the aluminum. The best way to get these cheaply is to find a used one.

The expensive part of roller furling isn't the spool, it is the two sets of bearings (at the tack and head) that need to be very smooth even under very high loads, and the upper bearing has to slide up and down the roller furling extrusions nicely too. The systems aren't that different on a 22' vs a 35', so this is one case where smaller doesn't save you too much. That said Harken does make a nicer small system called the 00AL that is a lot cheaper than the Mark IV while being similar in performance.

Avoid being drawn in by an inexpensive CDI or Alado furler. Halyard tension is a useful sail shape control, and those furlers make it very hard to adjust. The simpler design allows them to be less expensive, but I think you are giving up too much.
10-13-2013 12:19 PM
Minnesail
Re: Had the boat two days, two problems already...

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Originally Posted by Alex W View Post
One good thing about the OP's Catalina 22 is that it is more like "another hundred". Smaller boats in the 22-25' range are a great starting point for that reason.
That's my hope with this boat. At some point I think I would like to own a larger boat, but a 22' should get me used to some big boat issues except that my mistakes will cost $300 instead of $3000.

That being said, Catalina Direct wants $500 for a spinnaker pole? For a freaking 8' bit of aluminum with plastic at each end? And how can roller furlers be so expensive, it's just a spool!!!!! (I know, I know, I realize how this sounds.)
10-13-2013 11:59 AM
Alex W
Re: Had the boat two days, two problems already...

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Originally Posted by whroeder View Post
BOAT - Better Open Another Thousand
One good thing about the OP's Catalina 22 is that it is more like "another hundred".

Smaller boats in the 22-25' range are a great starting point for that reason. It's hard to even come up with items on them that cost $1000. New sails for a Catalina 22 can easily be acquired from major lofts (like North Sails) at well under $500 ea, a 4hp outboard is barely over $1000, they don't soak up much bottom paint, etc.

They are also tons of fun to sail and very forgiving.

The downside is that they are quite compact when it is time to go cruising. A friend did a 2 week trip on his Catalina 22 last summer, half of it with his girlfriend, but the experience just made him want a bigger boat. I had the same realization when doing a 12 day trip on a Catalina 25 with my wife.

Whenever I see brand new site members asking about buying 51' boats for their first boat I wonder if they realize that BOAT in that case stands for "break out another tenThousand".
10-13-2013 11:52 AM
Rhapsody-NS27
Re: Had the boat two days, two problems already...

that's nothing.

You should see what happened to me on day one of ownership when I towed the boat home. Tire tread pealed off and took part of the trailer fender with it.
Rhapsody: Traveling To New Home

There will be plenty of days where things don't seem to go right. Just keep at it.
10-13-2013 11:40 AM
chip
Re: Had the boat two days, two problems already...

Nice. It gets so much worse from here.
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