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Interesting Sailboats

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Sirius 32, Sirius 35

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out). Recent designs out of production are also admissible.

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.

Small cruisers (less than 35ft)

Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;

Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft


Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;

Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)


Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;

Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)

Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;

Sailing boats over 49ft

Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;

Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats

Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;

Racers

Figaro 2:pG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;

Lifting keel/centerboarder

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;

Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;

Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;

Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;

This list is not actualized. Please use the advanced search engine of the thread with the name of the model and builder. It works, most of the time.

(actualized till PG100) and it will be no more because that gives a lot of work (500 pages now).

Instead I am actualizing the titles and with the right title the thread search engine (not the one on the top of the page bit the one much below that says search thread) on its advanced option works quite well.

Hello,

Melrna posts on Miami Boat show and the comments of Smackdady about the interest of that thread lead me to think that perhaps I could share more information about sailboats I know and find interesting.

I am interested in boat design (interior and sailing performance) and I go each year at least to one of the main European Boat shows and that means basically Dusseldorf, Paris or Hamburg. On these shows you have the opportunity not only to visit the boats of the main and medium size builders but you have also the opportunity to visit the boats of small and sometime family shipyards.

Normally they build very good sailboats and sometimes they have been doing that for decades. The boats are hugely appreciated by their faithful customers but because they don't advertise their boats and there are very few on the used boat market, they pass unnoticed by the majority of the sail community.

The visit to these boats is a very rewarding experience because they are made with passion by true boat lovers and because when you talk to the guy that is on the boat, you are not talking with a dealer, that many times doesn't know much about boats, but with the builder, or the designer.

Even if you are not a buyer they will have real pleasure in talking with someone that really appreciates and understands their work. Those guys really believe in what they are doing and they do it the best way they can, no matter the cost. In a word, they are in love with what they are doing.
Of course, these boats have to be expensive.

This thread will be mainly about these boats, as a way of letting you know about these gems. Let's see if you are interested. I will not post much. If you want to know more you have just to participate and make questions.

The first one it will be the "Sirius". I have had the pleasure to visit several times their boats and to talk with the builders (father and son).

These boats have the best interiors you can find, or at least that I have seen. Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won't believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Owner´s cabin | 32 DS 4-berth comfort owner´s cabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Workshop | 32 DS for 2 workshop

Now that the son is in charge they have modernized the outside look of the new boats, they look fantastic not only inside but also outside. The boats sail well and they have clients as far as Japan.

Sirius-Werft Plön | Versions of decks house | You have the choice

Another interesting point is the way they develop new boats. They work with the clients to collect suggestions on the shape and design of the boats. A truly interesting affair, between passionate clients and passionate builders.

Sirius-Werft Plön | 35 DS | Philosophy

Take a good look at their interesting site and if you find the boat interesting, please let me know, I can add some information.

Sirius-Werft Plön | english | Welcome at website of Sirius-Werft Plön

Regards

Paulo
 
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#4,806 ·
Paulo:
I don't recall the finished cost of JAKATAN but it was an expensive boat. What can happen with a project like this in a very good yard is that the quality level can get "elevated" to the point where every detail is a work of art. With JAKATAN's build the client was very appreciative of the yard's efforts with quality and wanted that level maintained through all aspects of the project.
 
#4,807 · (Edited)
Dufour 410 GL

:DAnother great Felci design. I find this boat even more well design than the big ones. it is easy to make a very nice looking 50ft bur not so easy to make the same with a 41ft specially if the boat has a good standing height and a great cruising interior:













I guess that I can save on words, this boat test (English) says a lot about the boat. I would say this one would be on my very short list if I wanted to buy a new mass market 40/41 cruiser. Well I would have preferred a performance cruiser but the interior would not be as big or good in what regards cruising and the performances of the 410 even if not comparable to a true performance cruiser are not that far, specially in what regards cruising. A great and beautiful boat, not to mention the incredibly good wine storage:D







Some more tests in French and Dutch:





A 360º look at the interior:

http://www.yachtingmonthly.com/fileBank/SWF/dufour410_.swf
 
#4,813 ·
Re: Dufour 410 GL

:DAnother great Felci design. I find this boat even more well design than the big ones. it is easy to make a very nice looking 50ft bur not so easy to make the same with a 41ft specially if the boat has a good standing height and a great cruising interior:













I guess that I can save on words, this boat test (English) says a lot about the boat. I would say this one would be on my very short list if I wanted to buy a new mass market 40/41 cruiser. Well I would have preferred a performance cruiser but the interior would not be as big or good in what regards cruising and the performances of the 410 even if not comparable to a true performance cruiser are not that far, specially in what regards cruising. A great and beautiful boat, not to mention the incredibly good wine storage:D







Some more tests in French and Dutch:





A 360º look at the interior:

http://www.yachtingmonthly.com/fileBank/SWF/dufour410_.swf
I agree, the pictures show a high quality interior. We stepped aboard the 410 in Annapolis, and were quite disappointed. The interior quality we saw, was quite possibly the worst of the production boats. Ventilation was minimal with one hatch in the saloon. Not at all what I have seen in the past by Dufour.
A lot of nice features, and obviously a nice sailing boat, but the interior quality eliminated the boat from our wishlist.
We got on a Vision 42 afterwards, and noticed better interior quality. :eek:
 
#4,809 · (Edited)
Bavaria 41

After the Dufour 410 I feel a bit bad in posting about the Bavaria 40. The difference in looks however does not correspond to a difference in solidity or quality and the truth is that the Bavaria interior is functional and better than on the previous model that shared the same Farr hull. The boat sails well and it is the only family cruiser that offers 4 winches on the cockpit (six on the total) and that certainly makes sailing easier especially if one uses a Genoa instead of a self taking jib. We have also to consider that the Bavaria is a lot cheaper than the Dufour and probably will go better upwind.



They say very well about the boat on the Yacht.de boat test, namely that the 41 is a 40 "masterfully developed".

Year the test video, a nice one:

Bavaria Cruiser 41 - meisterhaft weiterentwickelt - Yacht TV - Segel Videos von Europas größtem Yacht Magazin

another one, with the also new 37:

 
#4,816 ·
Halberg Rassy MKIII

The boat is being presented on the Hamburg boat show and it has a relativelly old hull...so why is it interesting?

very few modern boats come to a 3 version using of the same hull so something has to be very right about this boat that makes it a favorite for many.

This has something to do with it:D:



Yes that is pretty amazing on a 43 sailboat and the boat does not look that bad or that heavy:







and in fact it is not heavy for this type of boat. For instance, it is lighter than that 40ft Bob Perry sailboat that I posted recently and it has a bigger sail area so it is not slow, I would say a good sailing boat for a family cruiser. All this put together more the 4.5T of ballast make this a very good offshore boat.

Some would even love the skeg on the rudder that has already disappeared on more recent models.

A Germán Frers design that time proved to be a great one.

http://www.hallberg-rassy.com/yachts/center-cockpit-boats/43-mk-iii/
 
#4,817 ·
I like the nav station in the same corridor of the owners suite.

My question is how is about the kitchen? Is it suitable and safe in bad weather? HR has on other models, that the kitchen is placed, along that corridor, wich in my opinion seams smarter for those conditions . What is your opinion?
 
#4,818 · (Edited)
Halberg Rassy MKIII and Najad 411

I like the nav station in the same corridor of the owners suite.

My question is how is about the kitchen? Is it suitable and safe in bad weather? HR has on other models, that the kitchen is placed, along that corridor, wich in my opinion seams smarter for those conditions . What is your opinion?
Yes I agree with you. having a bench on a corridor provides always support when the boat is heeled on the wrong position but HR uses not them at least now and on the smaller yachts. On the bigger ones (over 55ft) it is even better than that because it is a narrow space with 2 benches on on each side.

The ones that use that kind of galley in smaller boats is Najad and their 411 has one of the best interiors on a 41ft, in what regards saloon space, Galley space and functionality. Have a look:

Najad 410 virtual tour



The HR 43 MkIII uses a different galley but also a good one even at sea:



Regards

Paulo
 
#4,820 ·
Racing: Transat Jacques Fabre

A big one that risks to leave before the mini Transat:


Transat Jacques Vabre 2013 - 20ème anniversaire by TransatJacquesVabre

"A double handed race combines the skills of both sailors to ensure the boats are pushed closer to 100% of their potential. Of course there is double the manpower for manoeuvres, two brains are better than one when it comes to developing strategy and there is always someone on standby. Two handed also means that everything is shared, the moments of doubt and the pleasure, the hard times and the good times. And it is usually a subtle formula which is the winning one, combining intense sailing performance with the ability to get on well living together in difficult, stressful conditions in a small space."

44 teams racing. It does not seem much but they are all sailing in top racing boats and are the best short crew/solo sailors around...they are almost all there.

"The race starts on Sunday November 3rd under Le Havre's famous cliffs of Saint Adresse when all the classes race a coastal course to Etretat. From there the course which is set takes them direct non stop to Brazil. The Monohulls, that is 26 Class 40's and 10 IMOCA's, programme in their course direct for the finish line, whilst the six Multi50's and three MOD70's return temporarily to the Basin Paul Vatine to await their starts on November 5th and 8th respectively for the same 5,400 miles course...

Among the most successful skippers to take on this edition is is Jean -Pierre Dick who has won the IMOCA monohull division a remarkable three times, in 2003-2005 and 2011. He pairs up with the equally redoubtable Roland Jourdain who has won twice, in 1995 and 2001, but this time they will race a multihull, the MOD70 Virbac-Paprec 70.

But the entire field is richly laden with talent, including Vendée Globe winners François Gabart ,Michel Desjoyeaux and Vincent Riou as well as top contenders like Jean Le Cam, Bernard Stamm, Jérémie Beyou , Marc Guillemot, Bertrand de Broc, Arnaud Boissiere, Tanguy de Lamotte , Louis Burton, Alexandro di Benedetto , as well as four veterans of the Volvo Ocean Race, Sidney Gavignet , Damian Foxall , Sébastien Josse and Charles Caudrelier all racing in the MOD70. There are multihull specialists such Yves Le Blévec in the Multi 50 with Kito de Pavant, Erwan Le Roux racing with the winner of the Solitaire du Figaro Yann Elies, Loïc Fequet, Gilles Lamiré or Lalou Roucayrol ...

Class40 is the biggest and most international, with top French names like Halvard Mabire, Bruno Jourdren, Damien Seguin , Yannick Bestaven , Jean -Christophe Caso , Sébastien Rogues racing with or against sailors from Spain (Alex Pella), Germany (Jörg Riechers), Austria (Petter Christof), Great
Britain (Brian Thompson , Sam Goodchild , Hannah Jenner , Miranda Merron ... ), Italy and Belgium....."


Transat Jacques Vabre 2013 : Le Havre - Itajai | Novembre 2013 | Take to the seas and act for the planet

It seems very interesting to me;)

The boats are already there and they look great:


Transat Jacques Vabre 2013 - Le Havre accueille... by TransatJacquesVabre
 
#4,823 · (Edited)
Neel 45 trimaran

I took a lot of time to post about this one and I don't know if I have posted about the big brother, the 50ft that it is on the market for some years now. The problem (for me) is that I find this a very ugly boat even if I had to admit that it makes sense as a more valid sailing alternative to the condo type cats like Lagoon (that I also find ugly).











They say that the boat is two times faster than a 45ft monohull and 1.5 times than a similar sized cat.

First and only time I meat one on the water was in Croatia, a 50 ft, three years ago. I was sailing a fast 41ft monohull (Salona 41) and could compare the performances in light wind (5 to 7K) and can say that the Salona was way faster and pointed much better.

If we look at a Salona 41 Polar speed and compare it with the one of the 45, it shows that it will be faster too, at least with light and medium wind: The Salona is faster till 10K of wind and only with 15K we can see that the Neel 45 is faster doing at his best angle 10k while the Salona make about 9.5K. But even with that wind sped the Salona is faster at 45º and much faster more closer to the wind.



That's not bad for a boat with such a large cruising interior but then the Neel has 45ft and the Salona has 41ft. Two times faster than a cruising monohull? I don't think so:D at least if it is not a really old and heavy one.

Anyway, on the trade winds where the winds tend to be medium to strong and downwind the Neel 45 should be very fast and safe. A very good voyage fast boat if the voyage, as usual, is made along the trade winds.



Neel 45 Boat Review | Cruising World



Anyway an interesting and innovative design by Joubert-Nivelt giving consistency to an idea of Eric Bruneel (the builder) and under his general guidance.
 
#4,824 ·
On stability: waves - interesting movie.

Look at mim 8.06 to something I had said already here: Modern light boats with narrow fin keels or a foil with a torpedo with a good stability when hit sideways by a breaking wave are able to dissipate a substantial part of the wave energy transforming that in a sideaway movement.

An heavy full keeler would not be able to do that, it would trip on the keel and would transform almost all the wave energy in a rotating movement.

A centerboarder (with the board up) with a good stability would be able to dissipate even more energy that way, sliding even more sideways.



Regarding the use of sail to stabilize the boat in waves look at the small boat that enters at min 5.18. Coming downwind under full main maintaining the center of effort of the sail near the center of the boat, keeps the boat straight till turning sharply to the wind at the entrance and motors in with the sail on the wind. Nice and clean;)
 
#4,825 ·
Comet 41s MkII - movie

I had already talked here about this new version with two wheels an integrated table in the cockpit and an integrated bowsprit. The boat on the video was side by side with mine in Fumicino and I had already posted some photos of it. It has also a torpedo keel and that allows it to have less 100kg of ballast and less drag.

The interior has no alterations.

 
#4,830 ·
Re: Archambault 35

I haven't been posting much lately as I've been on the road doing some racing. While I was in SF at the Melges 24 Worlds, I had the opportunity to meet the owner of a fairly new Archambault 35. He graciously invited me aboard and gave me the grand tour of his lovely boat, as well as the complete history.

The boat competed in the TransQuadra race, and was then put up for sale in Martinique upon arrival. The current owner flew down with two friends, bought the boat, then sailed it to Florida. It was then trucked across the U.S. to San Francisco and recommissioned.

Unfortunately, during the Richmond YC "Great Pumpkin Regatta", in October 2012, the boat was hit amidships by a Sydney 36 and suffered considerable structural damage. However, after consulting Jim Antrim and the KKMI boat yard, the decision was made to repair the boat, and the insurance company went along with it.

I can tell you, from first hand viewing, that the boat is immaculate. The only way you can tell that any repair work has been done is by the fact that the quality of the repair in several areas is better than the original factory finish in the same area on the other side of the boat. :)

And as to whether or not the boat's performance was affected, it won its class in the 2013 Rolex St. Francis YC Big Boat Regatta, sailed in typical SF Bay breezy conditions. So it seems that Jim Antrim and KKMI certainly knew what they were doing.

Anyway, all that aside, I was totally impressed with the boat's layout and its massive interior volume for a 35-footer. With tiller steering, the cockpit was luxurious, and suited to racing or simply lounging about with a glass of wine (which is what we were doing). It looked to me like it would be quite dry in open water sailing. Down below was equally spacious and filled with light. The absence of a formal bulkhead separating the forepeak from the rest of the cabin accentuated the sense of space, and you would never feel claustrophobic in this boat. Since it featured a symmetrical spinnaker set-up, there was no sprit box intruding the bow (though the owner indicated that he is considering adding a fixed dolphin nose and switching to A-sails for IRC).

The aft cabin, on the port side, is also roomy and well-ventilated. The heads is on the starboard side, which is basically a large storage / work space. Access to most systems can be had there, while overall engine access from both sides and the front (companionway lifts up) is excellent. I figured you could probably re-build the engine without removing it.

According to the owner, the only thing that is less-than-optimal is the galley layout, where Archambault decided to put two coolers, one to either side of the stove. Looking at the pictures of the galley on the updated A35, due in 2014, they've addressed this issue by removing the cooler on the left of the stove and shifting the stove aft alongside the bulkhead. This creates more countertop space and allows for a larger single cooler.

As noted, the finish quality everywhere on the boat was terrific, and you would never guess the boat had raced across the Atlantic, been trucked across the U.S., then spent nearly a year in the boat yard being structurally repaired.

Indeed, a very interesting boat, and on my short-list of potential performance cruisers I'll be taking a look at when the time comes, particularly when the 2014 model hits the water. Also fond of the A31, which would probably be my preferred choice if I didn't want to go offshore beyond the Caribbean.
 
#4,832 ·
Re: Archambault 35

I haven't been posting much lately as I've been on the road doing some racing. While I was in SF at the Melges 24 Worlds, I had the opportunity to meet the owner of a fairly new Archambault 35. He graciously invited me aboard and gave me the grand tour of his lovely boat, as well as the complete history.

The boat competed in the TransQuadra race, and was then put up for sale in Martinique upon arrival. The current owner flew down with two friends, bought the boat, then sailed it to Florida. It was then trucked across the U.S. to San Francisco and recommissioned.

Unfortunately, during the Richmond YC "Great Pumpkin Regatta", in October 2012, the boat was hit amidships by a Sydney 36 and suffered considerable structural damage. However, after consulting Jim Antrim and the KKMI boat yard, the decision was made to repair the boat, and the insurance company went along with it.

I can tell you, from first hand viewing, that the boat is immaculate. The only way you can tell that any repair work has been done is by the fact that the quality of the repair in several areas is better than the original factory finish in the same area on the other side of the boat. :)

And as to whether or not the boat's performance was affected, it won its class in the 2013 Rolex St. Francis YC Big Boat Regatta, sailed in typical SF Bay breezy conditions. So it seems that Jim Antrim and KKMI certainly knew what they were doing.

Anyway, all that aside, I was totally impressed with the boat's layout and its massive interior volume for a 35-footer. With tiller steering, the cockpit was luxurious, and suited to racing or simply lounging about with a glass of wine (which is what we were doing). It looked to me like it would be quite dry in open water sailing. Down below was equally spacious and filled with light. The absence of a formal bulkhead separating the forepeak from the rest of the cabin accentuated the sense of space, and you would never feel claustrophobic in this boat. Since it featured a symmetrical spinnaker set-up, there was no sprit box intruding the bow (though the owner indicated that he is considering adding a fixed dolphin nose and switching to A-sails for IRC).

The aft cabin, on the port side, is also roomy and well-ventilated. The heads is on the starboard side, which is basically a large storage / work space. Access to most systems can be had there, while overall engine access from both sides and the front (companionway lifts up) is excellent. I figured you could probably re-build the engine without removing it.

According to the owner, the only thing that is less-than-optimal is the galley layout, where Archambault decided to put two coolers, one to either side of the stove. Looking at the pictures of the galley on the updated A35, due in 2014, they've addressed this issue by removing the cooler on the left of the stove and shifting the stove aft alongside the bulkhead. This creates more countertop space and allows for a larger single cooler.

As noted, the finish quality everywhere on the boat was terrific, and you would never guess the boat had raced across the Atlantic, been trucked across the U.S., then spent nearly a year in the boat yard being structurally repaired.

Indeed, a very interesting boat, and on my short-list of potential performance cruisers I'll be taking a look at when the time comes, particularly when the 2014 model hits the water. Also fond of the A31, which would probably be my preferred choice if I didn't want to go offshore beyond the Caribbean.
Thanks for reviewing. Hope to see some new A35s on the next Transsquadra competing JPSs 1010s and new SF3600s.

I await the new 35 to be cosiderably faster (than the old ones that were slower than the 1010).
 
#4,831 · (Edited)
Sydney -Hobart 2013

The inscriptions are almost closing and this will be one of the years or the year with more entrants: Between 80 and 90 with 20 from overseas ports.

There are some new boats like the clipper's that had done what I said that the IMOCA and VOR should do, I mean make this race part of one of their legs, or kind of out of the port race:D

As a big disappointments comes the decision to continue to keep multihulls out. I guess the rich guys don't like multihulls and they want to keep line honors from themselves. I cannot see other explanation after all other classic races have allowed multihulls to race from some years now. They say that they want to maintain the "integrity and safety" of the race:rolleyes:

Will those meaningless statements were made an Australian ex-Orma 60ft trimaran had pulverized the Sydney-Hobart record (in February) making a sailing time of one day and six hours, at times surfing downwind at 38 knots.

All this non sense can make an extra race event one as interesting as the race. The two local ex-Orma trimarans will make a particular race out of the race called "Challenge" and they will sail two hours after the fleet leaves Sydney bound to Hobart. I bet they will overtake Wild Oats and other leading boats really close. That will give some fantastic photos and video coverage:D

Some nice new boats this year like the VOR 70 Groupama now with another ownership and name (Giacomo) but nothing that can beat Wild Oats XI if they have no problem. The only new 100fr entrant is the Matlese Zefiro, but that is no race boat and not a mach to true race boats.

More interesting is the participation of Varuna, a Ker 50 comming from Germany but really fast boats are very few to join the habitual participants and that's a shame.

I would like to see all these big boats there, particularly Esimit Europe, the one I think it would beat Wild Oats...but I really would like to see that match: (starts to be interesting at 8.00m):



I have already posted it here but this is a great movie and if you did not see it don't miss it. A great movie of a great race.;)

 
#4,835 ·
I think what surprised me most about the A35 was simply how large it is for a 35-foot boat. I've sailed on a lot of 35-foot boats, including J/109s, J/105s, 1D35s, Santana 35s, etc., and the A35 felt bigger than all of them, except perhaps the 1D35, which is a pure race boat. In the photos you don't really get a good sense of how big it is.

One thing is certain, the owner of the boat I toured loved his boat. I probably spent an hour peering into every corner and listening to him extoll its virtues non-stop. The U.S. dealer (if there is one) needs to fly this fellow to boat shows and let him talk - they will sell a lot of these boats. :D

By contrast, none of the J/109 owners I've sailed with were this enthusiastic about their boats. But maybe it's just traditional J/Boat owner personality. ;)
 
#4,839 · (Edited)
On Design: market tendencies and mechanical systems.

On another thread there was an interesting discussion in what regards the relation between size of a boat and seaworthiness and also in what regards mechanical helps.

Some would think that will not apply to fast performance cruisers, at least in a significant way, I mean mechanical help and automatic systems but they are plain wrong. Sailing speed is related with size of the boat and if you really want a very fast boat then you want a big boat. Big boats needed a big crew to be sailed and that's a problem. Well not anymore, the problem is the extra money to buy complex systems and eventually more reliability problems even if the huge number of big sailing boats using these systems will contribute to a much improved reliability that seems already quite reasonable.

Have a look at what I am saying: This Swan 60 should have big grinders to be sail fast. Instead it has a lot of buttons.

have a good look at that mainsheet and boom controls. We don't see any big and complicated purchase system. The lines come clean from the boom.





They say about the Swan 60 set up and particularly about the above boat (that has been doing very well racing):

"Race-optimized versions, like Emma, have a racing boom rather than the Park Avenue style that comes on the cruising version. However, Emma is equipped with a Magic-Trim system that does away with the traveller, drastically reducing mainsail trim options. A racing mainsheet system is available as part of the optional $35,000 competition package.

On deck, sophisticated sail control systems and an ergonomically designed layout allow the Swan 60 to be easily sailed by just three people. The Magic-Trim mainsheet is a very safe innovation for cruisers, as it has no exposed finger-jamming blocks and includes a quick release that allows the main to be dumped in response to a large gust or when bearing away......All winches on board are electric, enabling effortless sail trimming and creating an uncluttered central cockpit devoid of pedestal grinders."

Flagship: Best Boats Swan 60 | Sail Magazine

The supplier of the Swan mainsheet system is Cariboni. you can have a look at the hydraulic purchase system and also to the the boats that use this suplier system from this supplier. This will give an idea of how expanded is its use among not only big yachts but big yachts that race extensively.

Cariboni - Marine Hydraulic Systems

Cariboni - Marine Hydraulic Systems

Wally uses the same system:



We will have to get used to more complex sailboats at least in what regards bigger sailboats. That's the only way they can be sailed by a couple or a very short crew and that's such a big advantage that justifies the use of more complex systems that have no reason not to be reliable given time and development...only more expensive:rolleyes:
 
#4,840 ·
Re: On Design: market tendencies and mechanical systems.

On another thread there was an interesting discussion in what regards the relation between size of a boat and seaworthiness and also in what regards mechanical helps.

Some would think that will not apply to fast performance cruisers, at least in a significant way, I mean mechanical help and automatic systems but they are plain wrong. Sailing speed is related with size of the boat and if you really want a very fast boat then you want a big boat. Big boats needed a big crew to be sailed and that's a problem. Well not anymore, the problem is the extra money to buy complex systems and eventually more reliability problems even if the huge number of big sailing boats using these systems will contribute to a much improved reliability that seems already quite reasonable.

Have a look at what I am saying: This Swan 60 should have big grinders to be sail fast. Instead it has a lot of buttons.

have a good look at that mainsheet and boom controls. We don't see any big and complicated purchase system. The lines come clean from the boom.

They say about the Swan 60 set up and particularly about the above boat (that has been doing very well racing):

"Race-optimized versions, like Emma, have a racing boom rather than the Park Avenue style that comes on the cruising version. However, Emma is equipped with a Magic-Trim system that does away with the traveller, drastically reducing mainsail trim options. A racing mainsheet system is available as part of the optional $35,000 competition package.

On deck, sophisticated sail control systems and an ergonomically designed layout allow the Swan 60 to be easily sailed by just three people. The Magic-Trim mainsheet is a very safe innovation for cruisers, as it has no exposed finger-jamming blocks and includes a quick release that allows the main to be dumped in response to a large gust or when bearing away......All winches on board are electric, enabling effortless sail trimming and creating an uncluttered central cockpit devoid of pedestal grinders."

The supplier of the Swan mainsheet system is Cariboni. you can have a look at the hydraulic purchase system and also to the the boats that use this suplier system from this supplier. This will give an idea of how expanded is its use among not only big yachts but big yachts that race extensively.

Wally uses the same system:

We will have to get used to more complex sailboats at least in what regards bigger sailboats. That's the only way they can be sailed by a couple or a very short crew and that's such a big advantage that justifies the use of more complex systems that have no reason not to be reliable given time and development...only more expensive:rolleyes:
The very successful SF-based Mills' designed King 40 Soozal was optimized by Easom Rigging with electric mainsheet winches which, surprisingly, were not penalized under IRC - or at least not sufficiently to prevent installation or compromise winning performance.

I think the chief hurdle to using these systems in smaller boats - e.g., under 40'-50' - is likely to be power consumption. Admittedly, in cruising boats you don't typically trim your sails all that much, so presumably you wouldn't drain your batteries by using electric main sheet, primary and secondary winches, but in performance cruising mode you'd probably suck some amps, particularly if you're shorthanded and running autohelm, AIS and other instruments.

So, probably need to see continuing improvements in power generation and storage before these systems become ubiquitous. And, of course, there's always that underlying issue about electricity and salt water - you'll need to have some kind of manual back-up solution in the event you lose power.

Interesting stuff.
 
#4,846 ·
Re: Sad, bad strange and maybe beautiful - movie

Wonder if the skipper of "Telepathy" was awarded redress in the race or if he got tossed for breaking Rule 14. ;)

Hard to say who was at fault, but typically when one boat t-bones another, it's a port / starboard incident and the boat making contact is typically the port tack boat, in my experience. In which case, judging from the damage, it looks like "Telepathy" is going to score DSQ in that one. Insurance company won't be happy.
 
#4,849 · (Edited)
Morris 45RC



Probably not. From Morris we have beam posting about the M series designed by S&S that in my opinion are a much better design (as a classic boat) than the Morris 45Rs as a performance cruiser.

The boat has a very high quality nice interior but has an old Chuck Paine hull with a Jim Taylor keel (even that alteration has more than 5 years) and if the boat is certainly better with that keel than with the original old designed big non bulbed keel, the hull remains old and not very interesting. Besides that all that wood makes the boat heavy and for about 1.5 million dollars you can get a much more interesting and much faster performance cruising boat.

I believe they are making and selling well the M series (classic boats) but I doubt that they will sell the 45RC for that price as a performance cruiser, at least any significant number.

That's a pity. I do not understand why a brand with such tradition, quality of building and workmanship does not invest in modern cruising and performance cruising designs (hulls) and have not some of the best contemporary NA working with them on that. Even Bavaria has its cruisers designed by Farr:rolleyes:







Regards

Paulo
 
#4,845 ·
#4,847 ·
Re: Mini Transat - Finaly!!!!

They are out going at 10K. The fastest is the American doing almost 12K

Sailing a proto Gwénolé, a Briton (French) is first, Giancarlo, an Italian (NA Lombard - Antoine Riou), 2th (NA David Raison). On the series boat the first is Ian Lipinski sailing a Pogo 2, a Finot design.

Hot:D

Cartographie | Mini Transat 2013 - Douarnenez / Lanzarote / Pointe-à-Pitre
Yes, indeed, Gahinet went out fast, with Pedote and Pulve hot on his heels. With the breeze at 309 NNW and the boats heading 206, you'd think that 747 would have a speed advantage in confused seas and 16 knots of breeze. But we know from early season races that Gahinet is blazingly fast in almost every condition. It will be a fast first leg, I predict, and hopefully the fleet will get past Finisterre without too much drama.

As for McFarlane, he almost didn't make the race when he lost his first boat, in very rough conditions, doing his 1,000 mile qualifier in the Med. Fortunately, he was able to secure another boat, perhaps even better than the one he lost, but he didn't have much time to get it dialed in. Apparently, he used his time well. :)
 
#4,851 ·
Mini Transat

"The Race Director of the Mini Transat has decided to implement plan B, which had been mentioned before the start at the last competitor briefing. The fleet will now stop at the port of Sada, near La Coruna, to wait for the strong winds from the south-west that will sweep Cape Finisterre, on 1 and 2 November to moderate and go northwest. The fleet is expected to arrive in the area on the night of October 31 to November 1."


http://www.minitransat.fr/actualites/la-pause-espagnole?lang=en

This is crazy:mad: They are killing the mini transat. I cannot see anything seriously enough on the weather that leads to this decision. The Mini Transat is a race but also an adventure with controlled risks. They are followed by support boats and the racers have plenty of safety measures in case of a big accident.

I remember some years ago Lobato (a Portuguese:D) beating all protos with a series boat in high winds and big seas at the middle of the Ocean. It seems we will not see anything like this again. It seems that the Mini-Transat now it is a race like any other with a special emphasis on security. Goodbye adventure:(

By the way, an Italian is leading, but it seems to me that sadly that is not the main news right now:rolleyes:


Départ de la Mini Transat - 29 octobre 2013, 09H19 by minitransat
 
#4,852 ·
Re: Mini Transat

"The Race Director of the Mini Transat has decided to implement plan B, which had been mentioned before the start at the last competitor briefing. The fleet will now stop at the port of Sada, near La Coruna, to wait for the strong winds from the south-west that will sweep Cape Finisterre, on 1 and 2 November to moderate and go northwest. The fleet is expected to arrive in the area on the night of October 31 to November 1."


La pause espagnole | Mini Transat 2013 - Douarnenez / Lanzarote / Pointe-à-Pitre

This is crazy:mad: They are killing the mini transat. I cannot see anything seriously enough on the weather that leads to this decision. The Mini Transat is a race but also an adventure with controlled risks. They are followed by support boats and the racers have plenty of safety measures in case of a big accident.

I remember some years ago Lobato (a Portuguese:D) beating all protos with a series boat in high winds and big seas at the middle of the Ocean. It seems we will not see anything like this again. It seems that the Mini-Transat now it is a race like any other with a special emphasis on security. Goodbye adventure:(

By the way, an Italian is leading, but it seems to me that sadly that is not the main news right now:rolleyes:
I have to agree, to some extent, that I'm also not seeing the weather issues south of Finisterre that motivated the RC to route the fleet through Sada. While it's true the breeze is on the nose, it's only blowing around 16 knots, and the further west you go the lighter it gets. And once you get about half way down the coast of Portugal, the trades start to kick in all the way to the Canary Islands (where it's actually blowing quite hard - 18-29 knots - but from a good direction (NNE))

The only thing I can imagine is that the RC has access to more detailed forecasts which provide a different local picture in close proximity to Finisterre. A point of comparison might be the local conditions off Point Conception, on the California coast, where you effectively transition from the cooler Northern California weather to the warmer Southern California conditions. That's a place that can get very nasty, very quickly, in terms of both wind strength and sea state. One year we transited the area and ended up going downwind at 6 knots under no sails at all, for several hours. This was on a J/105 - that same evening another J/105 near us was dismasted.

On the other hand, as one French commenter pointed out, while the top Mini sailors are either professionals or aspiring professionals, there have always been a significant number of amateurs who are pursuing their own personal goals, often at considerable expense and sacrifice. So the Race Committee is choosing not to place them in a situation that could conceivably lead to unnecessary carnage - i.e., that point at which you're not racing anymore, just surviving. I tend to agree. And, besides, whether the race is 2 legs or 3 legs, it is still a true test of skill and endurance. But perhaps in future they might consider starting the race in Cascais. :)

Meanwhile, Pedote is demonstrating that 747's victory in the 2011 MT was no fluke. Though he trailed Gahinet initially, he took the lead and has extended to about 6 miles and should hold that into Sada, barring unforeseen circumstances. Conditions really favored the scow design - solid breeze just aft of the beam, and disturbed sea state. I bet it has been a wet ride for everyone involved. Go Jumbo! :D
 
#4,853 · (Edited)
Stormy weather : Med and Atlantic.

Since we are talking about bad weather, let's just have a look at the differences between Med and Atlantic. It may come as handy to some . I have sailed some thousands of miles on the med and on the Atlantic I can tell you what any other sailor that have got some nasty weather on both will tell you: They are very different but equally dangerous. Bigger waves on the Atlantic but much shorter period and steeper seas on the Med.

A force seven is not much on the Atlatic and if you have a good and powerful boat you can even make some decent way upwind going up and down big waves. On the med it is a much wetter ride even if the waves are smaller and the speed upwind a lot smaller to the point that it is not worth it. The problem in the med is that the waves have a so short period that when the bow of the boat is down from a wave another can enter just over the bow and sweep the boat. That is very frequent and happened to me several times just this year.

If you don't know the med and go charter a boat there take notice: That's not the Atlantic and a Force 8 can be a lot nastier than a typical Atlantic F9. Have a look:

Med:



Atlantic:



Don't miss this one taken just some days ago:

Wetter: Im Orkan ? irre Bilder von Bord - Panorama*|*YACHT.DE



Another typical med thing is very sudden storms due to the proximity of opposed big mass of lands, many of them mountainous. They can come from nowhere and hit you like an hammer. I have been hit by a big one with winds out of the scale and can tell you it is not agreeable. I saw the thing come on the radar like a big black monster:D

It happened to this guys also:



Downwind, even of it is a bit more agitated than on the Atlantic (specially if you are getting waves on the side of the stern) it is big fun and not too difficult till F8:

Med:







On the Atlantic downwind with F7/8 it is also not normally a problem but the waves are bigger, not so frequent. Some older designs can roll a lo and that can be dangerous.







Well, if this serves no purpose, at least you saw some great movies:D
 
#4,856 ·
I did not have noticed. That is so crazy that is funny:D

Regarding the lifejacket it is one of those that has an integrated harness. Maybe that's the only harness they had, the integrated one.

The first thing I had done to my boat was providing it with permanent jack lines, very discrete but very efficient textil lines, white ones, the color of the deck. Last year I sailed the boat without them and I felt quite naked:D

To be said that the only cruising brand that I know off that offers as option integrated Jack lines is Bavaria. All the others will purpose you those textile stripes that you will hook along the side deck and are not much better than to hook yourself on the lifeline since they allow it you to pass overboard.

Regards

Paulo
 
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