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01-17-2014 11:24 AM
Re: We Killed the Pacific Ocean

Originally Posted by Group9 View Post
I remember reading an article by Thor Heyerdahl, about his being shocked at how much more pollution he found in the ocean in 1969 and 1970 voyage on Ra and RaII , than he found in 1947 on Kon-Tiki. Even taking into account the fact that it was different bodies of water, he found a lot more pollution in the second trip.
I finally watched his Kon-Tiki movie recently and was amazed by the quantity of marine life they encountered.

Overall though fishing seems pretty open to abuse as the results are hidden to most peoples eyes.
01-17-2014 09:13 AM
Re: We Killed the Pacific Ocean

human beings pull 500,000,000 lbs of seafood out of the ocean daily,maybe thats the problen?
01-15-2014 03:45 PM
Re: We Killed the Pacific Ocean

Originally Posted by xort View Post

the only solution to stopping over consumption and pollution is the end of man, you first!
Originally Posted by benesailor View Post
Ease up Muhummad.
Yes but there is a strong kernel of truth in that - 7 billion people generate a lot of refuse, as the population continues to grow, so does the refuse.

I have a grandson in diapers and I wholly understand the convenience of disposable diapers but every time we change one, I'm reminded that, globally, many millions of these almost-indestructible things are being disposed of every single day. The mind boggles. Just one element out of a vast array to think about and feel guilty of in the wee hours

I only have another 20 odd years on this planet (I hope it's not too much longer) so I'll try to stop worrying about it.
01-14-2014 08:57 PM
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the only solution to stopping over consumption and pollution is the end of man, you first!
Ease up Muhummad.
01-14-2014 08:42 PM
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the only solution to stopping over consumption and pollution is the end of man, you first!
01-14-2014 08:26 PM
Re: We Killed the Pacific Ocean

Good article!

Nice that it doesnt blame global warming. They cycles are natural. Sardines go down, anchovies go up.

Some predators have to change diet, those that cant die... Its natural and nature. The other have a field day, over reproduce and then, at some stage, starve.
01-14-2014 07:22 PM
Sal Paradise
Re: We Killed the Pacific Ocean

Why West Coast Sea Life Is So Wacky Right Now - Svati Kirsten Narula - The Atlantic

California has witnessed a veritable explosion of sea life over the past six months, and whales aren't the only ones making waves. Environmental scientists said in December that they were seeing "unprecedented" numbers of brown pelicans in the San Francisco Bay Area. It's been "a months-long carnival of lunging humpback whales, bird clouds, dolphin wizardry, frenzied sea lions, playful killer whales and even visits from marine royalty — blue whales," wrote the Santa Cruz Sentinel. To borrow a line from Melville: Surely all this is not without meaning.

And meaning there is in this tale of Pacific ecology and American history. The increased activity of marine megafauna is being attributed to an anchovy boom:
11-05-2013 10:29 AM
Re: We Killed the Pacific Ocean

Originally Posted by Minnesail View Post
GoPro helicopters are political correctness? I don't know how this conversation went from studying the ocean to tyranny fears.

There is so, so much we don't know about the ocean. Getting little 'bots down there to map and record and study sounds like a great idea. We literally have better maps of the moon than we do of the ocean floor.
I think you might be surprised at well we have the ocean floor mapped, although most of that mapping is classified.

I live near the facility and agency that does that very thing.
11-04-2013 06:04 PM
Re: We Killed the Pacific Ocean

Got to hand it to Google for supporting the cause:

The Falkor gears up to help fill void of sea studies Hawaii News, Honolulu, Honolulu News, Sports, Editorial, Features, Travel and Business - Honolulu Star-Advertiser - Hawaii Newspaper

The Falkor gears up to help fill void of sea studies

By Marcel Honoré

POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Nov 02, 2013
LAST UPDATED: 01:57 a.m. HST, Nov 02, 2013

Schmidt Ocean Institute's research vessel, The Falkor, recently arrived at Aloha Tower on Thursday, October 31, 2013.
A stone's throw from Aloha Tower on Thursday, Wendy Schmidt gazed from the stern of her private foundation's research vessel, the Falkor, at the glistening turquoise-blue of Hono*lulu Harbor and pondered the journey ahead.

More ocean study must be done — and it needs to get done a lot more quickly, she said.

Furthermore, those who live thousands of miles from any ocean need to understand how the seas' health affects everyone — not just those who live in coastal areas like Hawaii, she added.

"As the oceans are in peril from many sources, we think this is an urgent mission," said Schmidt, who's the wife of Google Executive Chairman Eric Schmidt.

She's in town for a private symposium at the Royal Hawaiian Hotel this weekend organized by the couple's science venture, the Schmidt Ocean Institute, that aims to help speed the pace of ocean research. The institute also looks to help fill the void left by dwindling federal research budgets, precisely at a time "when the oceans are under attack" and need study the most, Schmidt said.

The Falkor, meanwhile, is gearing up for a series of expeditions early next year to the Northwestern Hawaiian Island chain.

The Falkor docked in Hono*lulu on Wednesdayand it's the institute's 272-foot-long mobile, globe-trotting headquarters. It was originally built in the early 1980s as a German coast guard ship. But after a $60 million retrofit by the institute — including a science control center room, flat-screen monitors that can display live images of the ocean floor, and even a reading lounge — its high-tech interior now resembles something out of a James Cameron movie.

The Falkor's most recent voyage, from Seattle to Hono*lulu, took it through parts of the so-called Great Pacific garbage patch — a massive swirling vortex of plastic, trash and marine debris in the middle of the sea, largely out of sight from civilization.
11-04-2013 05:59 PM
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Glued those stickers on my boat stipulating how, what and when I can throw out my garbage and pump my head. I would do it all even without the stickers but the need to keep the coasties off my back by having the sticker just fries my butt. Lousy folks are going to do wrong with the stickers in place and good folks won't even with no damn stickers. The stickers made some lawyer feel good so we mar our pretty boats with them. Don't think laws or surveillance change behavior. Think social pressure does. See garbage people dump on the side of the road now my town makes you buy orange plastic bags to put it in to be recycled. New phenomena. Before people recycled at the dump. No garbage roadside seen. See no garbage on the streets in some countries both rich and poor and trash in some U.S. cities all over the streets. If you don't respect yourself you will not respect nature. Still, be good to document and fine the commercial offenders.
Wow that rant felt good
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