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10-31-2013 12:34 PM
kellysails
Re: Interesting boat movie trailer (liveaboards)

I have received info back from the producer. This is going to have a really low low level of distribution. Very sorry, I didn't mean to lead folks on. It's first showing will be on Bainbridge this coming weekend (11/2) 10am at the Pavilion.

You can also buy the dvd directly from them ($15) by sending a note to info@againstthetidemovie.com. At about the same price of two people going to a movie, not a bad deal. And your funds would support independent film production, another good thing.

(btw - I have ZERO commercial ties with this production)
10-31-2013 09:42 AM
xymotic
Re: Interesting boat movie trailer (liveaboards)

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Originally Posted by PCP View Post
Sure but this boaters seem not to live in the boats because they like to sail but just because it's cheaper and they can. If they could live in a shack on free land without paying nothing I bet that most of them would prefer that. It seems to me that has nothing to do with boats or sailing but to manage a place to live if someone has not the means for any other solution.

Basically it is a social problem related with homeless people and a sad one.

I have lived in Greece for almost three months and its amazing how they have not a big problem with people living on the streets or with people looking like homeless. The economic situation is incredibly bad but they seem to have a big social solidarity and I don't mean a institutional one. A proud nation. I was impressed.

Regarding this problem, they have an huge number of places were one could live permanently on a boat but I did not saw that happen with Greeks. Some cheap marinas and some ports have some neglected boats and some people living in them but they are not Greeks.

Regards

Paulo
You are right to a certain extent. there are other people though, like myself that are just really trying to simplify. The tiny house movement is gaining in popularity, especially in the northwest.

I just sold my house, hopefully when it closes I will be moving onto my 'derelict' $6,000 rustbucket boat and spend my days tinkering around fixing it up.

On the surface you'd be hard pressed to differentiate me from any other bum though.
10-31-2013 09:28 AM
PCP
Re: Interesting boat movie trailer (liveaboards)

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Originally Posted by Faster View Post
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Living on any boat in a harbour has to be preferable to sleeping on the streets, but unsound vessels barely afloat, anchored in a way that begins to congest fairways and access to others does create problems in those areas. There's no easy solution - so far the most expedient 'cure' has been to find a way to move them out - only to become someone else's "problem".
Sure but this boaters seem not to live in the boats because they like to sail but just because it's cheaper and they can. If they could live in a shack on free land without paying nothing I bet that most of them would prefer that. It seems to me that has nothing to do with boats or sailing but to manage a place to live if someone has not the means for any other solution.

Basically it is a social problem related with homeless people and a sad one.

I have lived in Greece for almost three months and its amazing how they have not a big problem with people living on the streets or with people looking like homeless. The economic situation is incredibly bad but they seem to have a big social solidarity and I don't mean a institutional one. A proud nation. I was impressed.

Regarding this problem, they have an huge number of places were one could live permanently on a boat but I did not saw that happen with Greeks. Some cheap marinas and some ports have some neglected boats and some people living in them but they are not Greeks.

Regards

Paulo
10-31-2013 09:23 AM
seafrontiersman
Re: Interesting boat movie trailer (liveaboards)

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Originally Posted by Bene505 View Post
Care to post a picture?

Regards,
Brad
I can later....
10-31-2013 09:15 AM
Bene505
Re: Interesting boat movie trailer (liveaboards)

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Originally Posted by seafrontiersman View Post
We had a similar problem up in Falmouth, Maine a few years back. The harbor had been used by lobstermen and a few draggers, on moorings they rented or paid for, for about two centuries. Then a number of rich people moved in and wanted the harbor cleared of commercial fishing vessels because they and their crews looked "icky"

FYI: these people were mostly from NYC and surrounds looking to live their "green" lifestyle and escape the city hassles and problems....which they managed to bring with them. Fortunately their betters prevailed and, as far as I know, commercial vessels are allowed to use Falmouth.

PS: I am currently in the Western Gulf with the dawn just coming up over 9 foot "garden wall" seas and blowing 30 knots out of a blue sky....SO beautiful here!!!!
Care to post a picture?

Regards,
Brad
10-31-2013 09:06 AM
seafrontiersman
Re: Interesting boat movie trailer (liveaboards)

We had a similar problem up in Falmouth, Maine a few years back. The harbor had been used by lobstermen and a few draggers, on moorings they rented or paid for, for about two centuries. Then a number of rich people moved in and wanted the harbor cleared of commercial fishing vessels because they and their crews looked "icky"

FYI: these people were mostly from NYC and surrounds looking to live their "green" lifestyle and escape the city hassles and problems....which they managed to bring with them. Fortunately their betters prevailed and, as far as I know, commercial vessels are allowed to use Falmouth.

PS: I am currently in the Western Gulf with the dawn just coming up over 9 foot "garden wall" seas and blowing 30 knots out of a blue sky....SO beautiful here!!!!
10-31-2013 08:31 AM
Minnewaska
Re: Interesting boat movie trailer (liveaboards)

Thankfully, if I ever live aboard, the last thing I would want to do is stay in the same place all the time. Isn't that just the same as living on dirt, only wetter? What's the point?

The laws surrounding this are completely clear. The Federal Government owns the coastal waters. They gave each State the right to make whatever laws they choose out to 3nm (which by the way is why no-discharge limits are set there, it has nothing to do with a scientific distance). Some States then passed those rights to their local municipalities.

Therefore, the voters in those States are fully empowered to decide what rules apply to these waters and dirt dwellers grossly outnumber liveaboards. Many like to blame the rich, but even a majority poor dirty dwellers don't like junk in the harbor. Democracy is what it is.

The politics of it are what get very complicated. Many dirt dwellers would be sympathetic to evicting the poor or near homeless, and therefore, you find a political standoff.

I would be interested in seeing the film. I am of the opinion that people should be permitted to live aboard. However, the boat should meet minimum standards, just like building codes require ashore. You can't flush your toilet into the street, for example. If it sinks, it will create an environmental or navigation hazard that would be born by all citizens. If you require rescue, that will cost society as well. I would also favor a requirement that you move from time to time (30 days is too short), unless you pay rent for the public property below your keel.
10-30-2013 06:46 PM
tdw
Re: Interesting boat movie trailer (liveaboards)

Interesting. In Oz (well Sydney at least) you may not leave a boat permanently anchored live aboard or no live aboard. Indeed it is, strictly speaking, illegal to live on your boat even on a permanent mooring. For any boat on a registered mooring you must be able to prove the boat is seaworthy and capable of moving under its own steam.

Otoh, provided you do not make a spectacle of yourself the authorities tend to leave you alone, indeed a mate of ours who is a blatant liveaboard was warned his boat would be impounded unless he had her pulled and antifouled.

What this does achieve is a relatively tidy waterfront where the tossers in their harbourfront piles have little to whine about.
10-30-2013 03:46 PM
Faster
Re: Interesting boat movie trailer (liveaboards)

We have the same situations here on the BC coast, in most communities in the southern Georgia Strait/Gulf Islands/Howe Sound areas. I have little sympathy for the waterfront homeowners' objection to the 'view'.. I'd rather look at boats anyway. I might not enjoy looking at a rotting tarped rustbucket, however, but beyond the visual such a vessel is an environmental incident waiting to happen...

I think the major issue today with this scenario is the 'dumping' aspect. Many of these vessels never move, in fact some cannot move under their own power so it's clear nobody's heading to the pumpout station on a regular basis. And this is usually in an area declared as a no discharge zone. In today's environmentally aware world that's not so cool. I do think, though, that complaining residents use that as the reason though it's more about 'why should they enjoy this view without paying the same taxes I do'

Around here, when vessels do get turfed, they simply go somewhere else, often to eventually be moved off again. We have had cases where extremely derelict vessels have sank, or blown ashore in a storm, spilling fuel and other debris and not necessarily dealing with the results themselves. This leaves recovery and clean up up to the municipalities or harbour authorities.

Living on any boat in a harbour has to be preferable to sleeping on the streets, but unsound vessels barely afloat, anchored in a way that begins to congest fairways and access to others does create problems in those areas. There's no easy solution - so far the most expedient 'cure' has been to find a way to move them out - only to become someone else's "problem".
10-30-2013 03:45 PM
capttb
Re: Interesting boat movie trailer (liveaboards)

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My wife and I always thought the live aboard's added character to a community that was rapidly heading towards vanilla
Don't loan your dinghy to any of those "characters".
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