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06-07-2014 07:41 PM
captain jack
Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

a short update, if anyone is interested.

one of the free sails i got from the marina is going to work great for my jib. it must be pretty new. the sail cloth still has that paper crispness. it is a lapper. hoister to the masthead, it will clear my stanchions and life lines completely. that will also give better visibility than if it was a deck sweeper.

it was totally free. but, it will end up costing me something. i want to use a furler and it's hank on. i need to find a loft that is good and would do the modifications at a reasonable, fair price. i don't think bacon is a good choice for that. i have spoken to them about modifying a jib for furling and they seem reluctant to do it; pushing me to buy a new sail instead.

anyhow, in 7 to 9 kt winds (loosely tied up to the dock) it is not hard to sheet in. my girlfriend was able to do it with one hand (without using a winch). so, i don't think it will prove unmanageable for her. i figure, in stiffer winds, a few turns around a winch should be good. she probably won't often need the winch handle.

and, yes, it was mildly exciting to see her (the boat not my girlfriend) trying to sail. if i had undone the docklines....so bloody tempting. lol

anyhow, i came on a hobie 18 sail, in great shape, for a pitance, a month ago. it has a bolt rope luff so i will be sewing on sliders. sailrite sells them. i am also going to sew on one set of reefpoints, for now. it fits within the available space, nicely. before doing the boom kicker, i am going to test sail it
with this sail, to make sure i like the way it handles. no good setting the boom kicker up for this sail and then i don't like it.

that's all the important stuff, for right now. the rest is general restoration work. nothing very exciting, unless you are the one doing it. then, every step forards is exciting.
05-16-2014 05:54 PM
captain jack
Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

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Originally Posted by Puddin'_Tain View Post
Spruce spreaders will last 30+ years with a pretty minimal amount of maintenance. Just paint the top and sides every 5 or 10 years (varnish the bottom surface, so you can see any rot developing) and they'll be fine. If you do switch to aluminum tube, you should probably get new mast hardware that is specifically made for tubes. And use marine grade aluminum to prevent them from corroding faster than wood will rot. But, even marine grade aluminum needs to be periodically inspected and maintained. Nothing on a boat is maintenance free.

BTW, the upper shrouds should be parallel to the mast until they turn at the spreaders. So, the spreader length should be pretty damned close to the distance between the shroud and the mast near the mast base.
that's a really good point. it hadn't even occurred to me. thanks.

there is a company that makes aluminum replacement spreaders. send them your old wooden ones and they make you a pair. they bolt right up like the original wooden ones. on the cal yahoo group, someone sent me a pic of the ones they had made by that company. they basically used eliptical tubing, like what you see on certain parts of a hang glider, and welded a piece on either side. i can do the same thing for less that the $600 that they are charging, since i don't charge myself much labor.

thanks for the tip about using marine grade aluminum. i will look into that.
05-16-2014 03:14 AM
Puddin'_Tain
Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

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Originally Posted by captain jack View Post
i know spruce is the most common on boats of the time. i didn't actually see them up close. the rigger did. he's the one that said they are teak. wood seems to be a somewhat high maintenance material to make them out of, to me. i am going to make my new set out of aluminum tubing. you can get hang glider tubing that has a nice cross section. then you just need to cut to length and weld ends on. of course, i won't know the dimensions til i get one of the originals in my hands. i looked on line but can't find dimensions anywhere. it's too bad. it would have been nice if i could have fabbed up the new ones in advance and just did a swap.
Spruce spreaders will last 30+ years with a pretty minimal amount of maintenance. Just paint the top and sides every 5 or 10 years (varnish the bottom surface, so you can see any rot developing) and they'll be fine. If you do switch to aluminum tube, you should probably get new mast hardware that is specifically made for tubes. And use marine grade aluminum to prevent them from corroding faster than wood will rot. But, even marine grade aluminum needs to be periodically inspected and maintained. Nothing on a boat is maintenance free.

BTW, the upper shrouds should be parallel to the mast until they turn at the spreaders. So, the spreader length should be pretty damned close to the distance between the shroud and the mast near the mast base.
05-16-2014 02:37 AM
captain jack
Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

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Originally Posted by Roadking Larry View Post
Re: your spreaders.
It is my understanding (and I may be misinformed) that the OE spreaders on my '76 cal 2-27 were made of spruce. There is also an older Cal 30-something with the same style spreader brackets as mine and what looks to be OE wooden spreaders still on the mast they do not look like teak to me. I'm in the process of fabing up a set for mine out of White Oak.
i know spruce is the most common on boats of the time. i didn't actually see them up close. the rigger did. he's the one that said they are teak. wood seems to be a somewhat high maintenance material to make them out of, to me. i am going to make my new set out of aluminum tubing. you can get hang glider tubing that has a nice cross section. then you just need to cut to length and weld ends on. of course, i won't know the dimensions til i get one of the originals in my hands. i looked on line but can't find dimensions anywhere. it's too bad. it would have been nice if i could have fabbed up the new ones in advance and just did a swap.
05-15-2014 11:44 PM
Roadking Larry
Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

Re: your spreaders.
It is my understanding (and I may be misinformed) that the OE spreaders on my '76 cal 2-27 were made of spruce. There is also an older Cal 30-something with the same style spreader brackets as mine and what looks to be OE wooden spreaders still on the mast they do not look like teak to me. I'm in the process of fabing up a set for mine out of White Oak.
05-12-2014 11:43 PM
captain jack
Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

howdy sir! not yet. although, i have been tempted to throw that cal 25 main and one of those almost right jibs on her and take her out.

the rigger came and inspected the rigging. one outer shroud should be replaced. but the big thing is the spreaders. looking up, it's hard to tell but, it has teak spreaders...which haven't had varnish for years. he recommends replacing them with aluminum.

he originally was talking about dropping the mast, which will be hard in it's present location. however, after judicious web searching, i found a blog post on another site where a guy was taling about doing it with the stick up. i emailed that post to the rigger and he is on board with that. i need to save a little money for the materials to fab up a new set and, of course, pay him for his mast climbing services.

he said i could probably safely day sail with it, as it is. and, it is very tempting. we'll see about that.

i put in that access panel and replaced that broken cleat and a number of other needed repairs. begun the process of rebedding all the hardware. i don't know if you remember me saying i needed to replace the one plywood 'quarter berth' but, i found the reason it as in need of replacement. i have a little leakage around a winch on the port side. so, i figured that would be a good time to rebed everything, although, i don't see any evidence of leakage elsewhere.

basically, taking care of issues as i can afford to while i gather funds for the bigger stuff. i had to take a steady job, instead of freelance home improvements. i know we are supposedly in a time of great economic revival but someone seems to have forgotten to tell that to the folks around here because, since the year began, a lot of people, whose money i was counting on, had to cancel because of financial issues. it's less per hour than working for myself but it's steady. i'm doing a financial restructuring so i can afford to keep putting funds into fixding up the boat with the new job.

at present, the two big cost items, besides sails, is the spreader replacement and the haul out.

when i haul her, i am going to plug two through hulls, the one for the motor and the one that is under the V berth, which i think is for the head. composting head means no need for a through hull for that. going to replace the through hull for the galley sink drain. i think the current one looks a bit iffy. they are not cheap but worth it for the peace of mind.

i may have found a source for an inexpensive used forklift motor and controller. so, i may be doing the electric inboard, after all.

i have been tempted to just take her for a test sail, though....just to hold me till i get her done. been thinking about that a lot since the weather got nice. can't hurt, right?
05-12-2014 11:15 PM
TakeFive
Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

Have you sailed her yet?
03-14-2014 11:54 PM
captain jack
Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

you may remember my intention of getting rid of the pop top and making a permanent coach roof. well, i am down to a final decision on how i am going to build it. this is a mock up of my two possible choices. the only difference is the angle of the sides. i am not sure about windows, yet. thoughts?


02-26-2014 07:25 PM
captain jack
Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

Quote:
Originally Posted by christian.hess View Post
screw it get an outboard(at least for now) Im sure you can get a 4-6hp for less than 300 if you search a while

Im doing my outboard mount ply plate again and Im looking for a 15hp for my boat which is huge and heavy compared to yours so honestly just get an outboard

Im done with flakes and resurrecting diesels for sellers down here, jajaja plus they want 2k for a non running engine, plus the cost of new mounts, etc...

happy new year boss

christian
happy new year to you, as well.

a quick update:

the weather has been making it impossible to get much done. i have scheduled the rigger to come inspect and tune my rig in the middle of next month. around the 22nd.

i have decided to stick with a tiller and just make one that is a foot shorter and somewhat different in shape.

i have also begun designing and building my composting head.

that's all for now. have to run. i have a class to teach in a bit.
01-12-2014 03:48 AM
captain jack
Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

an update then i need to go to bed. even i need to sleep, sometime

even when i am not actually working on the boat, i am figuring out a number of issues, in my head and on paper, that i need to address. so, i have been solidifying my thoughts about an permanent coach roof, gathering info about a lot of other stuff i need to do....and thinking about the motor issue.

so, i am considering some kind of outboard, temporarily. thinking about removing the prop shaftand glassing over the hole, too. maybe a permanent outboard solution. thinking about constructing a chinese sculling oar, a yuloh, too. then just going motorless. in that case, i think the yuloh would be better than sweeps. but maybe not. however, my mind keeps coming back to electric inboard. i was rerrading some of mr christian's info, from earlier posts. also been searching the net.

i came across electric conversion of VW beetles which lead me to general conversion of cars to electric. same ideas as with sailboats; fork lift motors and that kind of thing. in the sailboat stuff i have read, the cost seems high. but there is a lot of DIY info in the car conversion community; people doing it on the cheap. so, i am considering that option, too. going to begin collecting info about this, in ernest, now.
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