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11-16-2013 02:13 PM
paul323
Re: Robert Redford, Sailor

I liked Lou's backstory - it was fairly close to what I had in my mind also, which meant I enjoyed the film. The only thing which niggles me was the lack of an EPIRB - but if he had one it would not have been much of a story! And I agree with the others - I didn't see errors, so much as dumb mistakes anybody could make - like the wrench to tighten a thumb-tightened antenna connection. Perhaps a bit spurious, but you have to fit a shot from the mast in somehow, don't you!

One thing I liked - which I know the directors strove for - was the condition of the boat. Maintained, but slightly run down - little things like holes in the mast where a cleat cleat to be added hugely to the reality for me - a seaworth boaty, but not new.

As I recall they bought at least 3 boats for the filming, and one indeed was cut up to get the camera into the right places.
11-16-2013 02:01 PM
luck66
Re: Robert Redford, Sailor

It is a movie, it's value is partly what you bring, and the entertainment you experience, and like art what you gain while viewing.
11-16-2013 11:51 AM
mad_machine
Re: Robert Redford, Sailor

reading back through this, I have to agree with the OP. Many people in a position of authority seem to take that attitude with them throughout life. Wether in driving, sailing, or flying.

Many many doctors lost their lives flying. The Beachcraft Bonanza earned the nickname "Split tailed doctor killer" for a reason
11-16-2013 10:45 AM
djodenda
Re: Robert Redford, Sailor

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Originally Posted by lillia28 View Post
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I hope your Dad's circumnavigation went better than Our Man's!
Lou
It certainly did. He completed it in 12 years, and he's alive and well!
11-16-2013 09:36 AM
lillia28
Re: Robert Redford, Sailor

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Originally Posted by djodenda View Post
I really liked the movie. I like movies that make me think. I agree with Lillia28. Discovering the back story is really fun to do. After a couple of the unrealistic things that occur earlier in the movie, I checked myself from whispering NOOO!! in my wife's ear, and decided to just let that part go.

If you don't, you will drive yourself crazy.

SPOILER AHEAD
So.. did you notice that when he opened the sextant, there was a card inside? And he didn't read it? How come? My speculation is that the sextant was a gift from family, as described above, and that he didn't want to be reminded that he had messed up and not even learned how to use such a valuable gift.. He was ashamed.

Interestingly to me, is that when my father left on his circumnavigation in the late 1980s, he didn't want to bother with a sextant. So we bought him one. He never learned to use it.

SPOILER ENDING

The movie is full of wonderful things. But you have to reach for them, and not let the inaccuracies drive you crazy. Besides, it's less of an issue when he's in the life raft
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I started wondering if it was a birthday present, a Christmas present or a going away present, but then I slapped my self. The way he tosses the card aside after the briefest hesitation says volumes, at least to me! I hope your Dad's circumnavigation went better than Our Man's!
Lou
11-16-2013 09:30 AM
lillia28
Re: Robert Redford, Sailor

And the back story you provided is one of but many possibilities. There is no right answer. The letter that's read in the beginning is very short and intentionally vague. He apologies for something but we don't know what.

That's what the writer wanted.

The movie merely provides a framework, the audience has to fill in the blanks.
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Exactly. I provided the back story that appeals to me, and fills in the blanks for me. I posted here to get others thoughts, not to act as a film studies professor. Thanks for the kind and thoughtful comments.
On other threads the movie has been trashed for mistakes. I'm not so sure they are mistakes. A writer, director and to a lesser extent an editor have enormous latitude on what they write and film and the scenes they put in the movie. Robert Culp one said about his under rated "Hickey & Boggs" that a director fills a scene with many details, each one imparts important information that is needed for the story. I prefer to believe that some details are important, not mistakes.
That being said I still cannot reconcile the the steering and the number of flares. I am guessing the cockpit was cut from one of the boats, and Redford's wheel was attached to nothing for filming. Redford admits he is not a sailor, the steering wheel keeps spinning, so he keeps spinning it. The flares? A question of time I guess, how many unseen flares can you fire before the audience get up to leave?
Lou
11-15-2013 09:01 PM
christian.hess
Re: Robert Redford, Sailor

right a hobie solo and that is a true test!
11-15-2013 03:43 PM
findingzzero
Re: Robert Redford, Sailor

When I turtled my 17'er I was prepared to right a capsize, but hadn't read the next page about turtling. It turned out to be a 2 person job anyway and I was solo. I scrambled after what was left of the manual as it floated away. Dead Calm is a good time to bone up on yer sailing skills (not to mention another sailing disaster movie).
11-15-2013 01:50 PM
djodenda
Re: Robert Redford, Sailor

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Originally Posted by drsutton View Post
To paraphrase Freud, sometimes movies just a movie.
Fair enough. But it's more fun when it's more
11-15-2013 01:46 PM
unimacs
Re: Robert Redford, Sailor

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Originally Posted by djodenda View Post
So.. did you notice that when he opened the sextant, there was a card inside? And he didn't read it? How come? My speculation is that the sextant was a gift from family, as described above, and that he didn't want to be reminded that he had messed up and not even learned how to use such a valuable gift.. He was ashamed.

Interestingly to me, is that when my father left on his circumnavigation in the late 1980s, he didn't want to bother with a sextant. So we bought him one. He never learned to use it.
I think that's one of those moments where the writer wants you do fill in your own explanation. Perhaps the gift was from somebody he didn't really like or had a strained relationship with. Maybe he was just one of those people who placed little value on relationships throughout his life until he was at death's door, which wasn't quite yet at this point in the movie.

In a typical movie, you would have been shown who the card was from and the contents. This was not a typical movie.
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