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11-16-2013 09:08 PM
BarryL
Re: Negative Two Foot Itis

Hey,

For me, a 35 ish foot boat is the right size. I like to day sail solo and take 2-3 day cruises with 4 people. My 28' boat was too small for that. My 35' O'day was perfect for that (a little big for day sails but great on overnight trips) and I expect my 36' C&C will be similar.

I had my first boat, a Catalina 22 for 1 year, then a Newport 28 for 3 years. I have and my O'day 35 for 7 years and I just bought a C&C 110 (36') that I expect to have for a long time.

Barry
11-16-2013 08:16 PM
casioqv
Re: Negative Two Foot Itis

Quote:
Originally Posted by Minnesail View Post
I'm a shorter person! I'm 5' 9" and my wife is 5' on good day, so I think we'll sleep well in our Catalina 22.
I think you'll be fine, but that was really annoying for me... the pop-top and the bunks in the C22 were all slightly too short for me. I think that *could* be fixed with a different roof lifting system, and having the dinette backrest modified to fold down.
11-16-2013 05:13 PM
Minnesail
Re: Negative Two Foot Itis

Quote:
Originally Posted by casioqv View Post
I could never get a good nights sleep in the C22 because the bunks are all designed for shorter people.
I'm a shorter person! I'm 5' 9" and my wife is 5' on good day, so I think we'll sleep well in our Catalina 22.
11-16-2013 03:57 PM
casioqv
Re: Negative Two Foot Itis

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Originally Posted by jephotog View Post
I already own the Potter 14 and no I do not want to go any smaller, my kayak is 5 feet longer.
I agree the P14 is cramped, but I think it has more to do with it's history than it's length... it's the original microcruiser and the designs have came a long way since then. I think anything under 15' shouldn't have a separate cockpit and cabin but needs to combine the two to be roomy. Modern microcruisers also do away with the centerboard trunk and mast support.

The cabin bed in my M15 is bigger than the bed my wife & I sleep on at home, and MUCH bigger and more comfortable than our old Catalina 22 cabin. I could never get a good nights sleep in the C22 because the bunks are all designed for shorter people.
11-16-2013 02:25 PM
Don0190
Re: Negative Two Foot Itis

I don't suffer any minus anything. I want 3-4' more and feel 46-50 ' is the ideal size for a couple.
11-16-2013 01:43 PM
jephotog
Re: Negative Two Foot Itis

I already own the Potter 14 and no I do not want to go any smaller, my kayak is 5 feet longer. It is very cramped below, so I have 1 foot-itis, I would trade you for the Monty 15 if you feel it is just too much boat. I like having something I can tow behind anything, setup solo in under a half hours and drop into any body of water. But would not mind a little more waterline and elbow room.
11-16-2013 01:39 PM
bljones
Re: Negative Two Foot Itis

I fall somewhere in the middle. I admire micro-cruisers, and think the best iteration may be
"Miss Cindy" Turtle Island 16' MicroCat Cruiser.
and if i was single, and were looking at extended voyaging, I'd build one.
But, I am not, so long-term comfort for two in a boat that lives in a slip rather than on a trailer is my(our) priority, in a 26' or shorter package. Our Georgian 23 has been adequate for 6 years, but a little more room would be nice, or a layout that is a little more conducive to rainy weather lounging than a dinette layout.

But, I pause at going much larger- I like having costs and a maintenance schedule that I own, not one that owns me.
11-16-2013 12:39 PM
casioqv
Re: Negative Two Foot Itis

I've never sailed one, but from what I've heard the paradox actually points to windward well despite not having a keel or centerboard. I suspect that's why it was named paradox! It's chine runners act basically like a wing keel, in that they actually point downward like a keel when the boat is heeled over going to windward.

My favorite thing about the paradox is it's brilliant ventilation box, which let's in tons of air but won't let in any water even if the boat is rolled or boarded by waves.
11-16-2013 12:36 PM
Faster
Re: Negative Two Foot Itis

We've been through 24, 28, up to 40 feet, and now down to 35. The current boat still feels 'small' and manageable for two after the 40 footer.

Depends on your situation, of course, but we wanted to be easily able to coastal cruise and live comfortably aboard for up to 2 months at a time, and the ability to host occasional guests (usually couples) without hardship. For us this size seems ideal.

We've looked at upgrading (but based on age, not size) and there are plenty of 32 footers whose interiors outstrip our boat now, but having a hard time justifying what we'd have to pay vs what we'd actually gain in real, tangible improvements. The biggest thing we'd lose is storage (lots of it), the only 'real' tangible gain would be a much larger, spacious cockpit.

So we're 'settling' for what we have (barring a lotto win )
11-16-2013 12:33 PM
Alex W
Re: Negative Two Foot Itis

Paradox is even stranger to read about:
Paradox

square sail, no centerboard keel, or other fin, and a tiny little pilothouse.

I do wonder if can sail to windward.
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