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11-22-2013 04:11 PM
northoceanbeach
Re: Buying a mooring or slip in California.

I've called the sheriff on the phone twice and they were super friendly. I asked about the moorings and told them what I wanted to do, and they gave good information and were friendly. They didn't try to dissuade me from buying a mooring. He even told me about how they recently built a new dinghy dock so now they have seven or something. When I asked the second call it was a woman and I asked how long I could rent a mooring for and how much and she was friendly too, and said they are $16 a day and I could rent one as long as I liked.

The only thing they cautioned me about was there are changes to the way moorings can be sold.

I'm not saying they were nice or not based on my brief encounter over the phone, you know, but it wasn't like calling a marina and you have to tippy toe around the liveaboard issue. I called a couple marinas too and Ventura was the friendly one, where redondo, and places in san diego sounded a little more standoffish.

I don't see why OCSD would hassle sailboats in the harbor anyways. I'm not saying their reputation if they have one is unfounded, just that they sounded nic to me, and Newport Beach is a big time sailboat center, why would they discourage sailboats?
11-18-2013 12:35 PM
GMFL
Re: Buying a mooring or slip in California.

Quote:
Originally Posted by xymotic View Post
I've had LOTS of experiece with several harbor departments on both sides of the desk.


I've interacted with plenty of people in SoCal sherrif's and otherwise.


Most reputations are earned,


It's POSSIBLE they have fixed all their problems, but it's gonna take a few more years before they earn a good reputation because their current one is well deserved.
I really don't want to get into an argument over how great or over-authoritarian Newport's harbor patrol is. I've had limited experience with them as I said above, but...

Read your posts above guy. Maybe there is something else that's causing them to treat you and I differently.

Especially that part about reputation, maybe they saw you coming.
11-18-2013 12:32 PM
capttb
Re: Buying a mooring or slip in California.

And you are right, Dana's even worse, however it's the only harbor I know where if you forget to lock something, it's still there when you come back.
11-18-2013 12:04 PM
GMFL
Re: Buying a mooring or slip in California.

Oh, Your talking about THAT Newport Beach. You're right it sucks. Stay in LA.
11-18-2013 02:02 AM
xymotic
Re: Buying a mooring or slip in California.

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Originally Posted by GMFL View Post
BTW, this is a typical response from someone who really doesn't know much about the city.

Newport just expanded/renovated all of it's public docks and added a new one. Dingy tie ups are allowed for up to 24 hours at all of them, and I believe, there is a 72 hour limit on a couple of them. Some are used more than others so you may have to do an initial hunt for a regular dock to use, but it shouldn't be too hard. The last few times I've tied up overnight, I was the only boat there. It is November though.

Parking in Newport isn't bad either, if you're in the know. If you are at H field, you would be parking on the peninsula. A yearly pass for MOST meters in the city is $100. You wouldn't want to move your car on a busy weekend though. For other fields, parking would be free, you just need to move for the street sweeper.

As for the Harbor Patrol, they are Sheriffs. Their job is to be a dick to people, not a job I would like. Having said that, I've had mostly good experience with the Harbor Patrol office people. Never had to deal with the guys on the boats but I always wave as I pass them and they do the same.

I've heard stories about the harbor patrol but it's always about a "friend's brother from Irvine" who had the issues with them.

Just sayin'. YMMV.
I lived in LA and worked marina's in LA and at a yacht club in Newport Beach. I've had LOTS of experiece with several harbor departments on both sides of the desk. My experience with them was not 'some guys brother' it was them being complete assholes to me for no reason.

going from avalon to LA my transmission went out. so we diverted to newport. They required us to show up, in person, every day by noon, to pay for a day's mooring. You could not pay for two days, just one. So instead of working on the transmission I'd have to plan my entire day around them. And I'm not even really complaining about that, but there was definitely a nasty attitude from everyone about anything from that office. "where's the restroom" was met with a scowl and eyeroll.

I've interacted with plenty of people in SoCal sherrif's and otherwise. You're right though that in Newport beach, the sherrif's think it's their job to be a dick, and they do their job well.

The last day was coming up and there was a red flag warning, and they flat out told me if I was not off the ball that my boat would be impounded. Again, they were just being dicks. I hadn't tried to bend rules or anything they are just nasty. For sure don't ask them about the weather or 70 MPH winds in the forecast or they might think you are stealing ($5) from them!

I can't speak to the THe new docks but when I was there a few years ago the county docks and facilities were disgusting. It's nice that tthey may have finally fixed them 10 years too late though. And I guarantee you you're not going to long term park a car there or a dinghy every day while you go to work. So those are real issues that the OP will have to suss out BEFORE spending 10k on a mooring.

Most reputations are earned, Newport Beach has a reputation that no other town on the coast with the possible exception of Dana Point have. And gee, what do they have that's different? OCSD.
In 08 (about when I was there) you couldn't even file a complaint. They said "yep we're just that good so we don't get no complaints" O.C. Sheriff's Department gets few complaints from the public - Los Angeles Times

In 09 they made the 'amazing' step of having complaint forms in the stations and complaints went up 42% It was even noted that OCSD was nasty to other agencies. They had an elitist bad culture there.Turns out, maybe they were'nt quite as good as they thought they were.

Complaints against sheriff's employees up 42 percent: OC Watchdog Blog: Orange County Register

It's POSSIBLE they have fixed all their problems, but it's gonna take a few more years before they earn a good reputation because their current one is well deserved.
11-17-2013 02:21 PM
northoceanbeach
Re: Buying a mooring or slip in California.

No military connections. I really, really appreciate the advise.
11-17-2013 01:57 PM
rgscpat
Re: Buying a mooring or slip in California.

If the original poster has any sort of military connections there might be a few more options. For example, military can rent moorings in southern San Diego bay. And someone whose parent was military could be eligible to join the American Legion as a "son of the American Legion".
11-17-2013 01:53 PM
Markwesti
Re: Buying a mooring or slip in California.

Don't forget moorings in Catalina . There is a waiting list for a leased one . But you can buy one out right in Avalon . If I were you I'd just get out here, get the boat you want rent for a while then decide .
11-17-2013 01:27 PM
GMFL
Re: Buying a mooring or slip in California.

Oh, one more thing.

You can rent a mooring from the city on a daily or weekly basis. This time a year it's $16/day I think. It goes up to $26/day during the busy months. This is cruising season so a lot of moorings are empty. You could rent at a couple of different areas to see which is best. I'm guessing you could liveaboard while doing so as long as you don't draw attention to yourself and move every couple of weeks to a new mooring.

Just an idea.
11-17-2013 01:08 PM
GMFL
Re: Buying a mooring or slip in California.

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Originally Posted by xymotic View Post
where do you think you are going to park a car and/or store your dinghy while on land? I think that could get VERY expensive, very fast in newport beach.

Also, the habor department people are just total dicks I'd look anywhere BUT newport/dana point (same sherrif dept)
BTW, this is a typical response from someone who really doesn't know much about the city.

Newport just expanded/renovated all of it's public docks and added a new one. Dingy tie ups are allowed for up to 24 hours at all of them, and I believe, there is a 72 hour limit on a couple of them. Some are used more than others so you may have to do an initial hunt for a regular dock to use, but it shouldn't be too hard. The last few times I've tied up overnight, I was the only boat there. It is November though.

Parking in Newport isn't bad either, if you're in the know. If you are at H field, you would be parking on the peninsula. A yearly pass for MOST meters in the city is $100. You wouldn't want to move your car on a busy weekend though. For other fields, parking would be free, you just need to move for the street sweeper.

As for the Harbor Patrol, they are Sheriffs. Their job is to be a dick to people, not a job I would like. Having said that, I've had mostly good experience with the Harbor Patrol office people. Never had to deal with the guys on the boats but I always wave as I pass them and they do the same.

I've heard stories about the harbor patrol but it's always about a "friend's brother from Irvine" who had the issues with them.

Just sayin'. YMMV.
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