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|03-04-2007 11:24 PM|
|Goodnewsboy||Boston is a good place for a boat that has a snug cabin with heat. Best sailing is in spring and fall and you can (and should) go to Maine.|
|03-04-2007 05:29 PM|
The resale advice should be heeded if you are not planning on taking the boat to Yurrup or storing it until return.
Me? I'd buy a 21' Flicka and sail her to Yurrup. But then I'm one of the few wack-jobs around here who think small!
It sounds to me like you have the sailing characteristics laid out for you in the previous posts. What I think you need to do now, in your ample spare time
|03-04-2007 11:54 AM|
|pilot375||I just sold a Pearson 30 that I have been sailing around the boston area ( it was in salem harbor) Most of the time i single hand sailed the boat. When I did have guest, there was pleanty of room. It was a great boat, worked great for the area. I would highly recommend it. I am moving to San Diego, and upgrading to something around a 2000 beneteau 40 CC only to get more room and for a newer boat. PM me and I will be happy to answer any questions you have|
|02-25-2007 04:26 PM|
Consider joining this FREE Boston area Sailing E-Group:
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|02-24-2007 07:25 PM|
Regarding the ease-of-use factor, I strongly agree that larger boats are NOT more difficult than smaller boats. I have sailed boats from 23 to 39 feet out of Boston habah for the past three years. I have found that the larger boats are much more comfortable, especially when the wind kicks up and you start seeing 6' swells (common). If you are planning to sail with company, you will appreciate the extra room.
If you are not planning on staying in the Boston area, I would suggest joining one of the SEVEN sailing clubs in Boston harbor. Both the BHSC and BSC offer memberships in cruising boats. All you pay for is the use of the boat, the club pays for the rest (taxes, insurance, maintenance, mooring, fuel, ... everything! ). The other great aspect of the clubs is that you are able to try several different boats at your level of membership.
If you are looking to take the boat overnight, the cruising memberships allow that as well. Memberships at the two clubs I mention above (this year) range in cost from $2400 to $5800, and there are boat show specials for the next two days that will trim about 10% off that...
|02-22-2007 10:57 PM|
Unless things have changed..
The MA excise tax on sailboats in very reasonable and the extra 3 feet will cost very little money extra. As for slip/mooring fees most marinas and clubs with moorings/slips offer either a 30 foot slip or smaller so many times even if you own a 25 footer you're paying for a 30 foot slip/mooring.
As for moving to Europe. If you are planing to move in a few years a 30 footer will have a better and easier re-sale. I've followed the used boat market for over 30 years and unless we can go back to the late 70's early 80's the "odd sizes" 25-28 are historically a much longer sale on the used market and many times they have to be almost given away at a yard sale price to move them. This is good only when you are a buyer but you CAN'T buy a boat only looking at the purchase price. To truly calculate COO or cost of ownership you need to factor in potential re-sale. Most people in the lower price point are looking for a 30+ foot boat. 25-28 is an odd size range because they are to big to trailer yet still have the expense of a 30+ footer as in to haul, launch and store them so most opt for a boat that will at least give them some living space and not be cramped when sailing with four of five people.
For example I purchased my Cape Dory 27 for 21k and then put tons of work and money into it. By the time I was done fixing this boat up it was, by a long shot, the cleanest 27 in the North East. Three years later, after being on the market for 14 months, I sold it for 16.5k. Everyone seemed to want the 30 not the 27 or 28 Cape Dory. In contrast my Catalina 30 was purchased for 22k and sold in two years later, in only two months for 28k. My Catalina 36 I paid 49k for and sold for 63.5k. Making money on boats is not the norm but if you are good with your hands, buy right (but not a basket case) and keep your boat spotless & in bristol condtion it will sell quickly unless it's a real odd ball. A clean well maintained boat is many times more important than the price to an experienced buyer! The inexperienced buyers are the ones buying the fixer uppers thinking they got a steal??
I'll say it again a 30 is NO more difficult to handle than a 27, 28 or 29 footer. They all have the same equipment but a larger boat will sail better and be far less tender. Contrary to popular wisdom boats between 30 and 36 feet are perhaps the easiest to sail of all boats and I say this with over 45k nm under my keel and 38+ years on the water.
I've owned over 20 sailboats in my life and by far my small sailboats like my Laser 2, Rhodes 19 & Cape Dory 27 were all more difficult to sail than my Catalina 30, 310 or 36..
I'm really trying to help you not make the mistake all to many people make and then later regret..
|02-22-2007 12:37 AM|
|7tiger7||I'd love to get a bigger boat - such as a 30 footer - but every foot is added excise tax here in Boston, as well as mooring cost. And, most of the time I will sail, it will be single hand - probably 50% single, 35% with one other, 15% with 4 people. So smaller might be easier to handle... also, I don't know how long I will live here (in the US) before I might more overseas to Europe. So maybe 27 ~ 28 is best...|
|02-21-2007 10:27 PM|
If you are serious about spending weekends on board with 4 people, then I agree with Hailkai about the 27. IMHO, 27 is too small (or will be soon). However, I don't think you need to go all the way to 30. It sounds a little silly, but when I was looking to move up from my Catalina 22, I found that 27' was too small, but 28 was not. I was looking for a 28-32 boat. I would have loved to get a Catalina 30, but they (and most 30' boats) are significantly more money than 28' boats like O'day 28, Newport 28, S2 8.6, etc. This way, if, in a few years, you want to move up, it will be to a 34-38 boat anyway.
Whatever size you end up with, for weekend use make sure you have standing head room, a real marine head, decent galley (sinks that work, some sort of stove, ice box you can reach), and berths you fit in.
Regarding sailing ability, you don't need a full keel, heavy cruiser. You want something that will sail well in light air. Face it, if the weather forecast for the weekend is gale force winds, you won't be going to the cape anyway. However, if the wind is 5-10 it would be nice to sail there instead of motoring the entire way.
|02-21-2007 06:43 PM|
Don't buy a 27..
Buy the 30 and be done with it. I know so many sailors that thought a 30 was too much boat, bought a 27, and within a year wanted a 30 and lost lots of money in the process. A 30 is NO harder to handle than a 27 and in many cases it's easier to handle. They are also less tender so if you're trying to convice a SO about sailing always opt for the more stable boat! My 36 footer was easier to handle & sail than my 30 but there was more work to do on the 36. I'd look for a used Pearson 30, there is one for sale at the traffic circle near the Quincy ship yard, I saw it last week while making a trip to Eastern Yacht Sales or a Catalina 30. It's been said before but the Catalina 30 is a LOT of boat for the money and you won't quickly out grow it like you will with a 27, 28 or some of the smaller 30's like a Cape Dory..
You will regret buying a 27-28 footer, unless it's a freakishly large 28 like the Catalina 28's. Stick with a 30 and there are plenty of good ones out there.. If you're just sailing MA Bay then you do not want a full keeler. They are slow and have less room when compared to a fin comparitively speaking unless your talking about an IP. Deep draft is fine but the re-sale in that area tends to lean towards shoal draft or wing keels. There are plenty of boats out here but DO NOT buy a fixer upper thinking you are getting a good deal or you'll be sorry!!
|02-21-2007 02:32 PM|
Hingham - thanks for the messages, and the great recomendations. I've been readint through a few books (20 small boats) and most of them seem to trend towards full keel, heavy boats - great for real offshore, but for now not what I need. In terms of comfort, I think the longest voyage would be a 3 or 4 day weekend to the Cape, maybe with 4 people (2 couples), who would not mind cramped quarters too much. So I think a 27 footer, with a fin keel, should be just right. I need to start looking for moorings I guess, which is easier said than done.
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