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08-25-2014 07:06 PM
Don0190
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

Gee, guess my 2001 Hunter must be super special as I never have had any problems with any part of the boat that Hunter built. My problems are always with those name brand accessories installed on the boat, and even those have been less problematic than my last boat.
08-25-2014 06:32 PM
eherlihy
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

I'll chime in with $0.02

This year, I have been working at a SailTime/sailing school/charter outfit, and many of the boats are newer Hunters, ranging in model year from 2004-2013, and in length from 33-41 feet. There are several Catalinas in the fleet as well.

My limited experience is that there seem to always be problems with the Hunters; the electric heads don't work, the in mast furler jammed, something happened with the engine, and it won't start... Typical charter stuff, but there seems to be more of it with the Hunters.

Looking at the build quality, I am disappointed with the amount of veneered MDF instead of Marine-Ply on the Hunters. The 2013 boat had bilge pump issues that required me to muck about in the bilge. I couldn't believe the amount of sawdust that I assume was left in the bilge by the manufacturer prior to delivery. Guess why the bilge pump burnt out?

There is also a mid-2000s Hunter 41 that, prior to joining the fleet, had suffered a moderate grounding with the PO, resulting in THE GRID SEPARATION that Paulo had written about in his earlier posts. (That's one more for your count...) I understand that the school owner picked the boat up for cheap, but has invested a lot of the technicians time and money, essentially rebuilding the boat from the grid system up. Each step has been inspected, and signed off on by a surveyor, and I believe that this particular boat is in better condition than when it left the factory.

In contrast, I feel that the construction and sail handling of the Catilinas, is better - IMHO. The Catalinas also seem to have more demand for charter than the Hunters.

Personally, I much prefer the straight forward mainsail handling of my '87 O'day 35, to the Selden in-mast roller furler, and (obscured) arch mounted traveler on the Hunters.
08-25-2014 08:02 AM
Ken Roller
Re: Hunter Passage models make great blue water cruisers

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Originally Posted by xxuxx View Post
From a blue water cruiser who sailed a 2001 Hunter 450 Passage. Both the 450 Passage (1999-2002) and the 456 (2003-2006) or there abouts both versions carry 100 gallon fuel takes and have Kevlar reinforced stringers in the hull. They both hold 200 gallons of water as well. The newer Hunter Passage models hold only 75 gallons of fuel and offer only as an option the larger fuel tanks. I have yet to find one outfitted with the larger tank. This tankage really helps in long passages and was well used during the Caribe 1500 rally from Hampton Va to Nanny Cay, Tortola. Also this years caribe 1500 had a Hunter Passage 420 which arrived in the middle of the fleet standings. Many boats had breakdowns, even the snob appeal boats ie Oyster, Tayana. Island Packet, but nooooooooo not the Hunter!!! I have had mine in 60 knot gale winds and she was rock solid. Yes she creaked and squeaked but so does most every boat in 25 foot seas. We sailed her with only a small piece of furled jib and the strain on the furling line was incredible. We lost part of our SSB antenna and the Magma grill cover. We saw 12 knots in a hull designed for 8 maximum. We were in a broad reach thus allowing the foresail to give us the stability that was needed. Both the rig and the hull were rock solid..........one cannot go wrong using this as both a live aboard and a bluewater sailor. Any further questions PM me.
Thanks! As a fellow Hunter owner (a 2004 36) who is very happy, this is great news! We looked at a 456 last weekend and are looking to buy it and live aboard. I've heard her called a "Coastal Cruiser" and was wondering about how she'd do on a long run and in rough weather. I guess we know now! :-)
11-26-2013 08:08 PM
smackdaddy
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

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Originally Posted by PCP View Post
Smack, a well designed 30ft can pass the requirements for class A. almost all European 33ft are class A boats. It is a minimum requirement.

Regarding being more or less offshore capable than European boats you would need to compare boat for boat. Certainly that are some European production boats more offshore capable than the Hunter, others will be similar.

Regards

Paulo
Agreed.
11-26-2013 07:52 PM
duchess of montrose
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

i really don't understand why everything turns into a fight on this site however, like i dont think hunters are bad boats its just that i don't like them i don't understand why people feel the need to take that as a personal attack. I respect that people don't like my boat and i mean i don't think my boat is the best boat its just the best i can afford, which to be fair pretty much excludes all newer boats because i have a small budget. i don't jump on bandwagons either i recognize a lot of people here like cal's but the only cal i have been on was a 46 and it was an awful boat so i don't particularly like cal's because o that either. bad impressions tend to stick. It doesn't mean your boat is bad or less good I was simply trying to share my personal opinion i am sorry that some people on the site took that as me attacking hunter i certainly am not just stating my opinion in what i perceived to be a non accusatory non threatening manner.
11-26-2013 07:04 PM
PCP
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

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Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
.... But that difference in how they're equipped doesn't mean the US Hunters are "built differently" or any less capable offshore than the European boats (at least the way I read it). That was my point.
Smack, a well designed 30ft can pass the requirements for class A. almost all European 33ft are class A boats. It is a minimum requirement.

Regarding being more or less offshore capable than European boats you would need to compare boat for boat. Certainly that are some European production boats more offshore capable than the Hunter, others will be similar.

Regards

Paulo
11-26-2013 06:54 PM
smackdaddy
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

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Originally Posted by PCP View Post
Honestly I don't get it. It is identical except for "lack various safety placards, stove shielding". That was what I said, I said also that did not understand why those safety items are not included in the US boats.

Regards

Paulo
Oh, I thought you were saying that they weren't constructed to the same offshore rating standard - (that they were "built differently')..

As for why the safety placards, stove shielding, and vhf specs are different here...I have no idea. But that difference in how they're equipped doesn't mean the US Hunters are "built differently" or any less capable offshore than the European boats (at least the way I read it). That was my point.
11-26-2013 06:48 PM
PCP
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

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Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
Not quite. You didn't finish out that quote:
Honestly I don't get it. It is identical except for "lack various safety placards, stove shielding". That was what I said, I said also that did not understand why those safety items are not included in the US boats.

Regards

Paulo
11-26-2013 06:35 PM
duchess of montrose
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

oh and to add to that i do not hate hunter, never said i did, just don't feel as comfortable and confident in them in storm conditions than i do in other brands boats wether thats because of a legitamite concern or not, i do not know because I am not a yacht designer, i have an understanding of fundamental physical science concepts but not the more minute things that some of the rest of you know about, my observations aren't meant to be scientific but just my personal experience. Also i would consider a cherubini hunter and i actually looked at a 33 when i bought my boat.
11-26-2013 06:22 PM
duchess of montrose
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

to be fair the hunter 380 i sailed was poorly maintained and an ex charter boat but i still believe theres a lot of things that the eu standards don't address because for the most part they test wether the boat is safe to take across not whether the voyage will be pleasant, beamy boats with open interiors are a lot more tricky to move around in in bad weather, although that could be because i am used to my own fairly narrow boat,I do have to say the electrical and plumbing installations n production boats including hunters are a lot better than a lot of good brands older boats. high freeboard and the b&r rigs are two other things i dont like about hunters,

although alot of modern boats have high freeboard ive noticed that hunters for the most part have considerably more freeboard than alot of catalinas that could be untrue, its just something i have noticed from seeing them on the dock, we dont have many hunters in the marina my boat was at but when i sailed in toronto there were quite a few, i just think that the fit and finish and the construction of hunters while it may be good enough to make them safe for one or two ocean passages wouldn't hold up for extended offshore use like a najad would. My opinion is really formed off that one experience i had, i put more stock in what i have personally experienced than in what the literature or the data or posters say about a boat, I don't think that a hunter would fall apart going across an ocean but i think a hunter under 35 or 40 feet probably would after extended offshore use, just things like cabinetry and bulkheads not being tabbed is kind of worrying but maybe what i experienced was a fluke.

i do know a guy who made it across lake huron in a hunter 22 in 7 or 8 foot waves with the mast down so maybe your right. I don't think my boat without the modifications i have done would withstand multiple ocean passages either, but there are boats that would and i have heard really good things about the passage series of hunters, again this is only really based on the one negative experience i had with the 380 which i believe was designed before glen henderson it was introduced in 1999 according to sailboat data. that being said the 290 i sailed seemed pretty decent but i never experienced it in bad weather so i assume being of the same vintage it would have similar issues that the 380 had, the 39 i sailed however was actually pretty nice with the exception of the b&r rig which i dislike, it had a nice cockpit, and a well organized galley, I'm just biased towards c&c's rustlers hallberg rassys najads and a few other brands. hunters are just not a boat i like, i dont like the beneteau oceanis series either, i love beneteaus first series though, just personal preference, feeling and one bad experience really.

We all have preferences and jeff h knows alot more than i do about yacht design all i know is my gut feeling and in some way gut feeling is actually an important measure because if you feel comfortable on a boat your more likely to be a good sailor because you feel more confident, and in the end 75 percent of everything is the person not the boat, which is why i said that for my purposes hunters dont fit the bill but other people may feel more comfortable on a hunter than a hallberg rassy. i don't own a boat from any of the brands i mentioned btw but those are the brands i'm saving up for because those are the boats i feel comfortable in for now i sail the boat that i have now which is the most comfortable boat in my price range.
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