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1 Minute Ago 11:06 AM
smackdaddy
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

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Originally Posted by Lazerbrains View Post
And here lies the problem. Hunters in general are not designed for blue water.
Siiiiggggggh. Wrong again.

Cat-A rated Hunters (and all other like rated production boats) are designed precisely for that.

It's not ego - it's fact.

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Originally Posted by Lazerbrains View Post
That *does not* make them inferior in and of itself - most production boats are not designed for offshore passagemaking. But it does make them inferior for *one aspect* of sailing, at least when compared to boats designed for that specific purpose, such as Pacific Seacraft, Hallberg-Rassey, etc.

But it seems to get Hunter owners panties in a twist when the obvious is stated - that they are not designed for crossing oceans. Guess what guys? They are not designed for that. Neither are Catalinas. Doesn't mean they are bad boats, just that they are *designed* for a different purpose. Want to know where a Pacific Seacraft is inferior to a Hunter? Speed, maneuverability,acomodations, etc. But you don't see PC owners worried about *bashing* if you point out where they are inferior.

At the end of the day, buy the boat that suits your needs. Don't get your ego so worked up if someone doesn't like your boat - they are not the ones who have to live with it - you are. And if you are happy with your choice - then who gives a ........
Like I keep saying, if you can bring some fact to the argument, I'm happy to discuss. But if you're going to throw out wrong guesses, I'm not interested.
2 Minutes Ago 11:05 AM
guitarguy56
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

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Originally Posted by Lazerbrains View Post
And here lies the problem. Hunters in general are not designed for blue water.

That *does not* make them inferior in and of itself - most production boats are not designed for offshore passagemaking. But it does make them inferior for *one aspect* of sailing, at least when compared to boats designed for that specific purpose, such as Pacific Seacraft, Hallberg-Rassey, etc.

But it seems to get Hunter owners panties in a twist when the obvious is stated - that they are not designed for crossing oceans. Guess what guys? They are not designed for that. Neither are Catalinas. Doesn't mean they are bad boats, just that they are *designed* for a different purpose. Want to know where a Pacific Seacraft is inferior to a Hunter? Speed, maneuverability,acomodations, etc. But you don't see PC owners worried about *bashing* if you point out where they are inferior.

At the end of the day, buy the boat that suits your needs. Don't get your ego so worked up if someone doesn't like your boat - they are not the ones who have to live with it - you are. And if you are happy with your choice - then who gives a ........
Who is crossing oceans on Hunter 28's? Please inform us ole great one!
5 Minutes Ago 11:01 AM
smackdaddy
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

Here are a couple of design flaws I've found with my 1989 Legend 40...

1. The lazarettes don't have any drainage. On the one hand I can understand this as they should be water-tight. On the other hand, they do catch water from various leaks and there's no way for that water to get out. This has caused my mild steel rudder-stop angles to rust. I added drainage and it's no longer a problem.

2. The raked transom and under-transom exhaust seems to create a vacuum while motoring offshore. This keeps the diesel exhaust hovering just behind the cockpit. This, in turn, leads to soot on the transom after many hundreds of miles, and though it never bothers us while facing forward in the cockpit, you do get a whiff of it when you turn around to look behind you. Very strange. Also, with the under-transom exhaust, you can't see how well your raw water is flowing. Not a big fan.
8 Minutes Ago 10:59 AM
guitarguy56
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

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Originally Posted by RobGallagher View Post
Preaching to the choir is fun, everyone agrees, you pass the plate, go to the basement for coffee and doughnuts. Stick to Hunterloverporn.net if you don't want a differing opinion.
It seens you're into porn... but you're right to me the Lord Nelson in my eyes is a fugly sailboat and as Smack mentioned I wouldn't want this even if given to me and know this Hunter would NEVER build an ugly boat like this and ACTUALLY would hurt their bottom line!

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And comparing that beautiful Lord Nelson to that other thing made me gag a little bit Sorry, but that was like saying you prefer the lines of the M 26X over the BRILLIANT. Yea, yea, there is a market for that freaky German porn....we just never suspected it was you
Again your fascination with porn again... I'll say it once again I'd rather have that Hunter 41DS any day of the week, year, whatever over that fugly Lord Nelson.. but hey that's my opinion... Why are you still on your C&C?

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See, we get this picture in our head...Something beautiful and pricey sails by and all the skippers in the anchorage pop up like prairie dogs to have a look. Most think to themselves, "man if only for a day". The Hunter owners shake their head and say "what kind of an idiot pays a premium price for a yacht, if I had all the money in the world I'd still rather have this, and let me tell you why....".
No and I don't see why you come up with this? It's really is idiotic to even mention this as if Smack or anyone else including me had all the money in the world we definitely wouldn't be discussing our Hunters would we so your statement sort of looks DUMB!

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And hey, there is nothing wrong with loving what you got. Some people just need to learn from Das German porn; Skip the safe word and pop in a ball gag. <smiley here, don't get all uppity>
Again with the porn.... Do you know there are real women out there? Or men? Take your pick...
9 Minutes Ago 10:57 AM
Lazerbrains
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

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Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
Wrong again. The problem is not that we Hunter owners believe in our boats because they've been proven by the very logical and mathematical realities you cite. The problem is that forum chuckleheads like those above like to say our Hunters are "inferior" a "don't belong in blue water"
And here lies the problem. Hunters in general are not designed for blue water.

That *does not* make them inferior in and of itself - most production boats are not designed for offshore passagemaking. But it does make them inferior for *one aspect* of sailing, at least when compared to boats designed for that specific purpose, such as Pacific Seacraft, Hallberg-Rassey, etc.

But it seems to get Hunter owners panties in a twist when the obvious is stated - that they are not designed for crossing oceans. Guess what guys? They are not designed for that. Neither are Catalinas. Doesn't mean they are bad boats, just that they are *designed* for a different purpose. Want to know where a Pacific Seacraft is inferior to a Hunter? Speed, maneuverability,acomodations, etc. But you don't see PC owners worried about *bashing* if you point out where they are inferior.

At the end of the day, buy the boat that suits your needs. Don't get your ego so worked up if someone doesn't like your boat - they are not the ones who have to live with it - you are. And if you are happy with your choice - then who gives a ........
11 Minutes Ago 10:55 AM
RobGallagher
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

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Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
Differing opinions and critiques are perfectly fine - encouraged even. But they sure as hell better be accurate and provable with examples - otherwise you'll definitely catch a beating from the choir prior to donuts.

Virtually none of the above has been either. So go back to your safeword. There's nothing to see here.
Differing options are fine with you as long as you agree with them. Your track record speaks loudly for itself.
22 Minutes Ago 10:44 AM
smackdaddy
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

Differing opinions and critiques are perfectly fine - encouraged even. But they sure as hell better be accurate and provable with examples - otherwise you'll definitely catch a beating from the choir prior to donuts.

Virtually none of the above has been either. So go back to your safeword. There's nothing to see here.
31 Minutes Ago 10:35 AM
RobGallagher
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

The argument is pretty straightforward, I believe we all get it. The problem is that any time someone gives a negative opinion or points out a flaw in Hunter design or construction, 'some' start comparing them with Oysters or Swans (or whatever). No one buys it and it changes no opinions.

Preaching to the choir is fun, everyone agrees, you pass the plate, go to the basement for coffee and doughnuts. Stick to Hunterloverporn.net if you don't want a differing opinion.

And comparing that beautiful Lord Nelson to that other thing made me gag a little bit Sorry, but that was like saying you prefer the lines of the M 26X over the BRILLIANT. Yea, yea, there is a market for that freaky German porn....we just never suspected it was you

See, we get this picture in our head...Something beautiful and pricey sails by and all the skippers in the anchorage pop up like prairie dogs to have a look. Most think to themselves, "man if only for a day". The Hunter owners shake their head and say "what kind of an idiot pays a premium price for a yacht, if I had all the money in the world I'd still rather have this, and let me tell you why....".

And hey, there is nothing wrong with loving what you got. Some people just need to learn from Das German porn; Skip the safe word and pop in a ball gag. <smiley here, don't get all uppity>
1 Hour Ago 10:03 AM
smackdaddy
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

You've got it wrong...still. Let me explain...

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Originally Posted by amwbox View Post
What we've got is a basic refusal to acknowledge that things with different shapes and weights behave differently when moving through water.

Its really that simple. I doesn't matter what brand the object in question is...what matters is its nature as a dynamic thing that works with wind and sea.
We don't. I don't think you'll see anyone here that owns a Hunter (or any other production boat) refusing to acknowledge this difference. Where you come up with that notion is pretty strange. Can you point me to an example of where this was argued? Maybe I just missed it.

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To equate a PSC 31 Mariah to a Catalina 310 (as random example) is simply madness. They are so fundamentally different in design and function and sailing characteristic that it bears little thinking on. But I'm sure there is someone out there with a Catalina 310 who would chime in and inform us all that we don't know what we're talking about and that their 310 is absolutely as well suited for a trans-pac as that Mariah which was purpose built for that very thing.


[facepalm1]

As I've said many, many times - it depends on the basis of your comparison. I don't think anyone here or anywhere else has argued that Catalina 310s make great Trans-Pac boats, much less better Trans-Pac boats than PSC 31 Mariahs. We're talking about cruising here. So keep up.

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Originally Posted by amwbox View Post
I own a C&C 34 (the usual flat bottom fin/spade racer cruiser, in case anyone reading isn't familiar). I think its a fun Wednesday night boat for the Columbia Gorge. A couple summers back I crewed on a friend's Lord Nelson 41 over several thousand miles of "shakedown" in the north pacific...and I've got to point out that claiming this 15 ton long keeled beast is somehow comparable to a lighter, faster fin/spade job is flatly delusional. There is no comparison, beyond both floating and sailing. The boat was in its element out there, doing what it was meant to do. Buts its basically useless in the Gorge. Or in any tight moorage.


[facepalm2]

You're actually comparing a freakin' Lord Nelson 41 to a C&C 34? Are you kidding me? This is essentially the same argument that I've run into many, many times where owners of old heavy boats say that "you can also cross an ocean in a bathtub" when talking about modern production boats being out there in bluewater as well. I don't put a lot of stock in their advice. It's kind of stupid.

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Originally Posted by amwbox View Post
And no, the difference doesn't boil down to "interior woodwork"...which has nothing to do with anything, Smack.
Actually, in most instances when it comes to the impact on the cruising 99% of people do out there (including me) - yes it absolutely does. Will the IP behave differently as it passes through the water than my Hunter will? Well obviously. Good grief man. Will that difference impact my ability to cruise blue water? Hell no! Good grief man.

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Originally Posted by amwbox View Post
These are simply different shaped objects with different densities that behave differently as they pass through the water. That's really all there is to it.

Sorry to rattle on but my god. Its like we have to throw simple logical and mathematical realities out the door to be sensitivities of those who worship brands and just can't handle the fact that not everyone has the same taste they do in handbags and/or sailboats.
[facepalm3]

Wrong again. The problem is not that we Hunter owners believe in our boats because they've been proven by the very logical and mathematical realities you cite. The problem is that forum chuckleheads like those above like to say our Hunters are "inferior" a "don't belong out of sight of land". Surely even you can see the difference?

Maybe not. None of your inempirical rambling above takes that into account. So, again, you're arguing the wrong argument.

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Originally Posted by amwbox View Post
What I do know is that if it had been Hunter that had built that Lord Nelson 41, instead of whoever (one of the Taiwan yards?), I'd be singing Hunter's praises right now just as I tend to with C&C.
You may be. I wouldn't own that boat if you or even Hunter gave it to me. No freakin' way.

You really need to read my thread over on CF. It's gold regarding this stupid argument. And it's also one of the most viewed threads in that fetid romper room of a forum...for obvious reasons.

Once you've educated yourself a bit on the fundamentals of the actual argument, come back and let's talk.
1 Hour Ago 09:50 AM
guitarguy56
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

Amwbox... I don't understand what fight you have in this issue and frankly I really don't care... you mention the Lord Nelson 41... didn't you? You mentioned if Hunter built this you'd be singing praises... right? I'm only saying it doesn't ring my bell even if it does yours!

I'm 60 yrs of age and have done many miles sailing but that is my business and have owned quite a few sailboats in my time... I've owned non Hunter boats and while they were great to sail... I also like the B&R rig on my Hunter and have yet to have any issues with my sails hitting the rig or what ever one says about it... Frankly you never owned a Hunter with the B&R rig but yet you want to come here discussing why you don't like it? I've never owned a sailboat with retractable keels but why would I think I'm at ease to discuss the merits or not of these retractable keels?

I could go on and on.. but you're 33 yrs of age... go out and enjoy your C&C instead of wasting your time on this thread! Really!

And NO I won't reread your post as I've gotten the cliché you've written into it... you are just like the other Hunter haters with something to utter as you have nothing better to do with your time! Spend some time on a Hunter ACTUALLY sailing one and being on one before dissing on them!

Eventually I'll have a new boat and because Hunter does not make catamarans does not mean I'll stop praising Hunters. It just means someone else will enjoy the well kept sailboat I currently have and hopefully they'll come to praise their newly acquired Hunter as well!
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