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11-19-2014 01:14 PM
outbound Yes agree you have a good idea for Stanley.
With conventional main if halyard parts you do not have the whole thing lying on your deck or in the sea. Even with no boom you can take a line from clew to snatch block to winch and keep sailing.
11-19-2014 10:31 AM
JonEisberg
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

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Have single line jiffy for the first two and double for the third with Dutchman to hold things in place.
Leisure furl just makes me nervous. What if with the stresses and strains the boom angle changes or the halyard breaks and dumps your whole main on deck just attached at foot and clew.
I don't know, seems to me the same thing can occur with a conventional mainsail, no?

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Frien got a rip in his main on this trip. Given tear was below 2nd reef and just went to that reef. Then no stress on the torn section. Would think even if on a mandrel tear would continue.
Yes Jon I'm old school. Just not as old school as you.
That's a good point... ideally, I think any sail on a Leisure furl should still have cringles installed along the leech at various reef points, so that a strop could be led through and secured beneath the boom if deemed necessary... although, I've yet to see one like that...

Might be a good idea for Stanley Paris to add a strop to the clew of his main, as well... I'm pretty sure he has by now, however...

:-))


11-18-2014 05:59 PM
outbound
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

Have single line jiffy for the first two and double for the third with Dutchman to hold things in place.
Leisure furl just makes me nervous. What if with the stresses and strains the boom angle changes or the halyard breaks and dumps your whole main on deck just attached at foot and clew. Also particularly with the third like to be able to shape it. Even with single line reefing between halyard tension traveler and vang can shape the other two.
Frien got a rip in his main on this trip. Given tear was below 2nd reef and just went to that reef. Then no stress on the torn section. Would think even if on a mandrel tear would continue.
Yes Jon I'm old school. Just not as old school as you.
11-16-2014 11:01 PM
JonEisberg
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

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Friend said one day they reefed/unreefed over 12x in a single 3h watch. Makes me think Jon is more man than me going forward each time to do this.
LOL! Yeah, but I probably have less distance to cover going from my cockpit to my mast, than you might have between your helm and the lines led aft to your cockpit... :-)

Trust me, if I had a boat the size of yours, I'd be going the Leisure-Furl route, as well...
11-16-2014 08:09 PM
outbound
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

Good on ruffian.
Several boats traded fuel. We carry 200g and went through half of it. Even had to power sail with both jib and main up at times.
Thinking of just messy around in Eastern caribe for awhile. Wife will,call the shot on where next.
Internet via wifi is slow even with th booster so been bad about being on SN. Had a great sail at hull speed from bitter end to fat hogs bay today. Made the 12 to2 watches in a fresh water rinse worthwhile. Friend said one day they reefed/unreefed over 12x in a single 3h watch. Makes me think Jon is more man than me going forward each time to do this.
Picking out a marina. Any thoughts on good ones in BVI would be appreciated.
11-16-2014 12:11 PM
TomMaine
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

When I read the winds were not cooperating, I worried for RUFFIAN. Iain and Fiona sail their passages, they have to. Even with their jerry jugs on deck, their range is limited compared to bigger boats. There's not a spare cubic inch left for extra tankage.

I marveled at how 2 people have been living aboard and moving that Sadler 34, always, for 3-4 years now. To get a sense of how packed the boat is, when they lift the sole, every cubic inch is full of canned foods and bottles(their bilge is insulated and dry-they have no bilge).

They revel in sailing off shore. Racers to the core, they're good at it(and enjoy it immensely)!

But if winds are light, RUFFIAN is challenged with her load(we sailed a week with them).

When they had wind on this passage, it was strong and on the nose. They can(and have), do that too.

But I could just see their sea-savvy thinking in falling off for Bermuda. They have time. Plenty of time.
11-16-2014 09:53 AM
JonEisberg
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

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Thanks for your report. I don't know if you met Iain and Fiona(she loves your boat), but they 'rallied' to Bermuda.

Interesting report from them here on their passage.

Something strange happened while at sea. | A little boat and a big ocean.
Oh, no! Looks like the crew of RUFFIAN is not gonna make it to the Pig Roast!

:-))

Good on Iain and Fiona... I was surprised how few boats stopped in Bermuda this year, but as their track shows, it can be quite a diversion when one sails the rhumb line...





By "dodgers", I presume they're referring to what most of us here in the Colonies call "weather cloths"? I'm a bit surprised they didn't have them fitted at least for the start of the trip, in my opinion few things can make the cockpit of a small boat more comfortable, offshore, especially in November... :-)

Another interesting report from Charlie Doane, that re-affirms the potential difficulty of heading to Bermuda directly from New England... Once again, more than a few of the boats choosing that route find themselves 'limping in' to St George's... A Sabre 402 had to 'borrow' some fuel from a passing ship to make it in... And, if anyone thinks they can get away with not securing the drop boards in the companionway even on a center cockpit boat as large as this, think again... :-))

2014 SOUTHBOUND LUNACY: Waiting on WX in Bermuda


11-15-2014 02:30 PM
TomMaine
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

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thanks all for your kind wishes.
That's one of the nice incidental things about the SDR. Although the horizon is nearly always empty you don't feel alone.
Unusual trip. Never had a full day/night of clear skies. Stars where not as good as past offshore transits between having the moon and constant 70-80% overcast. Saw a fair amount of lightening nearly every night. Trades never really filled in like you would want.
Thanks for your report. I don't know if you met Iain and Fiona(she loves your boat), but they 'rallied' to Bermuda.

Interesting report from them here on their passage.

Something strange happened while at sea. | A little boat and a big ocean.
11-15-2014 12:14 PM
killarney_sailor
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

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thanks all for your kind wishes. Was using a spot but sometimes forgot to trigger it. Also had a morning check in via ssb so then sometimes wouldn't trigger the sport. Also had a daily chat with the other 5 Outbounds. Finally when we chatted with Chris we would give position and Dick listened in on all those chats.
That's one of the nice incidental things about the SDR. Although the horizon is nearly always empty you don't feel alone.
Unusual trip. Never had a full day/night of clear skies. Stars where not as good as past offshore transits between having the moon and constant 70-80% overcast. Saw a fair amount of lightening nearly every night. Trades never really filled in like you would want.
Went with three total and used 2h watches 24/7. So between the muggy conditions, occasional fresh water rinses and overcast catching good sleep in your 4h off was hard. Had enough water for a couple of showers which was nice.
With only three on the boat every one had their own bunk and space. No tripping over each other. But when I do this again might think of doing it with 4 just for the extra sleep.
Congratulations on your passage. Next time try using three hour watches so you can get more sleep. We use three hours watches for the 12 dark hours with no formal watches during the day since someone is always up and around. We tried two hour watches and were not happy with them. Four hours seemed too long.

We will have to keep an eye out for each other. We should be heading north from Grenada Feburaryish.
11-15-2014 10:34 AM
JonEisberg
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

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Originally Posted by outbound View Post
thanks all for your kind wishes. Was using a spot but sometimes forgot to trigger it. Also had a morning check in via ssb so then sometimes wouldn't trigger the sport. Also had a daily chat with the other 5 Outbounds. Finally when we chatted with Chris we would give position and Dick listened in on all those chats.
That's one of the nice incidental things about the SDR. Although the horizon is nearly always empty you don't feel alone.
Unusual trip. Never had a full day/night of clear skies. Stars where not as good as past offshore transits between having the moon and constant 70-80% overcast. Saw a fair amount of lightening nearly every night. Trades never really filled in like you would want.
Went with three total and used 2h watches 24/7. So between the muggy conditions, occasional fresh water rinses and overcast catching good sleep in your 4h off was hard. Had enough water for a couple of showers which was nice.
With only three on the boat every one had their own bunk and space. No tripping over each other. But when I do this again might think of doing it with 4 just for the extra sleep.
Welcome back, thanks for the report...

it certainly seemed like an unusual year, not the best conditions for that trip, but sounds like you guys did fine, congrats...

I'll bet a lot of folks were happy when this year's passage was over... Following the 1500 fleet, one thing that struck me was the number who arrived at Nanny Cay in the dead of night, at a time like 0300... They must have REALLY wanted that trip to be finished... :-)) I know the approach to Nanny Cay is not particularly daunting, but still...

An abiding faith in the chartplotter lives, no question about it... That whole 'waiting for daylight' to enter what might be a strange or unknown harbor approach at the end of a long, tiring passage is SO Old School, after all...

:-))

So, where to from here? Are you planning to come back north next spring, or are you staying in the islands, or heading off elsewhere?
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