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02-10-2014 05:14 PM
manatee
Re: 3D Printing of Sailboats

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Originally Posted by Stumble View Post
I could see it happening, but it will take a while longer than 10 years. I doubt anyone will go into business buying a large printer to print boats, but once you have the equipment it doesn't matter much what you make with it.

My guess is the first boats made this way will be aluminum, or actually titanium. As an outgrowth of metal sintering technology already being used in custom fabrication instead of making molds. But right now the largest machine I know of (not that I follow it closely) is only a few feet a side. But within this size pretty much anything can be made.

They would just have to up the size massively to make it possible.
They're working on it.

3D Printing a Functional Boat with Post-Consumer Milk Jugs | MAKE

Dutch Firm Plans 3D-Printed Canal Boat

Urbee: The world's first 'printed' car rolling off the 3D printing presses... | Mail Online

3ders.org - 40 Chinese students create a race car using 3D printed parts | 3D Printer News & 3D Printing News
02-10-2014 12:19 PM
capt vimes
Re: 3D Printing of Sailboats

just stumbled across an german article on how researchers produced lightweight materials with a similar strength to solid steel...
here the english abstract:
High-strength cellular ceramic composites with 3D microarchitecture
and it is done with 3D laser lithografie which is a type of 3D printing...
we are just at the beginning of an era and nobody can tell how much more is to come in the future...
that is what the whole material looks like on a close up:
12-14-2013 01:53 PM
hellosailor
Re: 3D Printing of Sailboats

Speaking of publishing and printing, the two are NOT the same thing. A publisher solicits authors, grooms them, hires editors and fact-checkers and attorneys to deal with the material. Publicizes the book, arranges author's book-signing tours, and...wait for it...contracts out the printing to a printer!

A printer is just the guy who owns the printing presses, he's got nothing to do with the larger "publishing house" business. A publisher is more akin to a full service yacht sales agency, than a boat builder.

Our theoretical huge 3D printer will, however, be run exactly the same way that printing presses and mainframe computers and other expensive equipment is run. If you have a big expensive computer, you sell time-sharing on it, you never let it sit idle. If you have a printing press, you run three shifts, six or seven days a week, and each job is scheduled to run at a certain time. If the job comes in late? Too bad, you missed your slot, you'll need to reschedule. All this expensive equipment only makes money when it is being used, and the folks who own 'em, use 'em.
12-14-2013 10:37 AM
titustiger27
Re: 3D Printing of Sailboats

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Originally Posted by Bill B View Post
I agree that it's not to a guy in his basement. But it's only to a bigger printer because the publisher is no longer a printer at all. (and any printing is more than none)



I disagree. Since the publishers don't do their own printing, they have no choice but to send all of it out.




Not to a guy with a printer in his basement.

But potentially to a specialized company whose sole purpose might be to print large form factor items (which in this case would include, but not be limited to, boat hulls). I would expect said company to have multiple printers, servicing multiple clients, probably in multiple industries. An industrial 3D print shop, if you will.
okay
12-14-2013 05:08 AM
Bill B
Re: 3D Printing of Sailboats

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Originally Posted by Stumble View Post
I think books are a poor comparison to boats.
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Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
The parallels between boat building and book publishing would seem to elude me, though.
It wasn't an intentional comparison, but rather, a digression. My original point was that 3D printing advances could result in the outsourcing of hull production, removing the need for builders to finance/afford their own 3D printers. That sort of veered off into whether or not 2D printing advances had resulted in the outsourcing of book printing.

Sorry about that. I get distracted easily. Oh look over there, a squirrel!
12-14-2013 04:39 AM
Bill B
Re: 3D Printing of Sailboats

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Originally Posted by titustiger27 View Post
I think we are looking at this differently.

First even if book publishers are outsourcing it is to a bigger printer, not some guy with a photocopier in his basement...
I agree that it's not to a guy in his basement. But it's only to a bigger printer because the publisher is no longer a printer at all. (and any printing is more than none)

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Originally Posted by titustiger27 View Post
and those who are outsourcing, likely they are outsourcing Stephen King novels, not Kilgore Trout.
I disagree. Since the publishers don't do their own printing, they have no choice but to send all of it out.


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Originally Posted by titustiger27 View Post
If I read you right, you are saying that O'day is going to outsource boat building to a guy with a 3-D printer --- is that right?
Not to a guy with a printer in his basement.

But potentially to a specialized company whose sole purpose might be to print large form factor items (which in this case would include, but not be limited to, boat hulls). I would expect said company to have multiple printers, servicing multiple clients, probably in multiple industries. An industrial 3D print shop, if you will.
12-14-2013 03:11 AM
hellosailor
Re: 3D Printing of Sailboats

"people have been able to buy 2-D printers for sometime now (both photocopiers and computer printers) and I don't think there are many people who are running a publishing company that way. "
It is called "demand printing" and if you order a title from Amazon and other sources, who are publishing it for an author, that's how they print it. Printing single copies of books to fill single orders may cost 5x-10x more than printing a conventional book on press, but it doesn't pay to publish books, stack them, stock them, warehouse and distribute them, until you get into tens of thousands in one press run. So even at 10x the cost, demand printing can be cheaper for small volumes.
The parallels between boat building and book publishing would seem to elude me, though.
I could see a swimming-pool sized vat of goo, topped off with a herd of high powered lasers, to stereolithographically produce boat hulls (with integral tanks and piping, etc.) or auto bodies or anything else of size, but the goo ain't cheap nor would the machine to work with it. Of course, the same thing ("ain't cheap") applied to the Indigo and Xerox machines that did "on demand' printing in the late 80's, and they still managed to find and take over a market niche. Emphasis on niche.

Then there's the question of whether any of the plastics or metals currently being used for 3D printing would be suitable for a yacht hull. And titanium gets crossed off the list immediately, because if you could afford that much titanium, you'd buy a Gulfstream instead of a cheap less-than-one-hundred-meter yacht.
12-13-2013 10:51 PM
Stumble
Re: 3D Printing of Sailboats

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Originally Posted by titustiger27 View Post
I think we are looking at this differently.

First even if book publishers are outsourcing it is to a bigger printer, not some guy with a photocopier in his basement...

and those who are outsourcing, likely they are outsourcing Stephen King novels, not Kilgore Trout.

If I read you right, you are saying that O'day is going to outsource boat building to a guy with a 3-D printer --- is that right?
I think books are a poor comparison to boats. While there may be tens or hundreds of thousands of books printed at a time even a large boat builder only builds a handful a year. As an example take the J-35. Over the ten year production run they built about 300 boats, or right at two and a half a month. For a 35' boat this is a pretty successful production run, but for almost anything but a boat company it wouldn't even count as a production run.
12-13-2013 09:45 PM
titustiger27
Re: 3D Printing of Sailboats

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Originally Posted by Minnesail View Post
Quite a bit of printing is now print-on-demand. Nautical charts are all POD now, as are a lot of textbooks. We have a digital press that is really not much more than a beefed up copier, and it can turn out a full-color 60-page saddle stitched book for under $1.50.


Anyway... I think 3D printing is very exciting. I bet race boats will be the first to use it. You could create crazy microfoams and vary the thickness exactly as a designer specified to create super lightweight hulls.
In my just 'published' response I think we are looking at this differently. I think POD is more from people who have the ability to do mass productions... I don't think they are doing just one offs... maybe they are.. doing 3,000 different books two at a time POD, When I look at the verso of a book and it says: "Toronto, London, New York" as places of printed... I will concede it is likely it is POD, but not from a small printing company..

I do agree that just as there are printers doing one off 'artist books' there will be 3-D printers doing Oracles... I still wonder it it won't be cheaper to make them buy hand...your thought of microfoams might lend itself to the fact a 3-D printer could make something that can't be hand made.
12-13-2013 09:38 PM
titustiger27
Re: 3D Printing of Sailboats

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Originally Posted by Bill B View Post
I disagree. I'm pretty sure that most book publishers outsource their printing these days, and even newspapers have started to move away from printing in-house. So really, not only has it already happened, it's already common.
I think we are looking at this differently.

First even if book publishers are outsourcing it is to a bigger printer, not some guy with a photocopier in his basement...

and those who are outsourcing, likely they are outsourcing Stephen King novels, not Kilgore Trout.

If I read you right, you are saying that O'day is going to outsource boat building to a guy with a 3-D printer --- is that right?
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