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03-17-2007 10:57 PM
Valiente George Cuthbertson is like that. The guy drew some of the most popular designs ever for about 20 years, but he's quite open about some of the (relatively few) shortcomings or not-so-hot designs he helped to create.

And he knows about the lifespan of balsa-cored decks...
03-17-2007 07:35 PM
sailingdog I've spoken with the designer of my boat and have enjoyed the discussins I've had with him about the good and bad points of his design. What is very refreshing is that he is open about the design issues that the boat went through, like an early problem with the rudder design during the development phase of the boat.
03-17-2007 07:06 PM
Valiente I've spoken to both George Cuthbertson (the living C in C&C Yachts) and to Phil Friedman, who designed my first and current boats, respectively. Talking to the designer (which morality is making increasingly tough) is a wonderful thing to have, as most of these guys, not unexpectedly, love talking about boats. I even sent my dimensional numbers to Ted Brewer for his opinion (as the new boat reflects some of his ideas indirectly) and he was kind enough to reply. Mr. Friedman sent me photostats of his original drawings...and this was for a custom job I hadn't commissioned (I'm the third owner).

Definitely talk to the designer if possible. Olin Stephens is still happy to discuss boats, for all I know, and he's nearly 100.
03-17-2007 06:54 PM
sailingdog Good to know Robert.
03-17-2007 02:48 PM
Tartan34C Clarke Ryder built the boat and heís back in the marine business. I donít know how much information he has on the boats he built in the past but it might be worth dropping him a line if youíre interested in the boat.

Nice guy and heís easy to talk to. He did the fiberglass molding on one of my Sea Sprites and Sea Sprite in Wickford RI put the boat together for my first trans-Atlantic trip. He bought the molds for the Sea Sprite after I sailed that one to England and started building boats.
All the best,
Robert Gainer
03-17-2007 02:15 PM
gentryd Thanks Southerncross31, does it happen to mention what year it was sold to Mr. Marsh? Got some info from Ryder Yachts, hull ID on stern with CERSC31 is factory, CERG31 is kit. Guess I need to go back and look to see if I can find. Think we'll be talking alot if I get the SC. I've also totally rebuilt 3 houses in my time and a couple of engines so pretty handy with woodworking, electrical, plumbing, etc. as well as fiberglass.
03-17-2007 01:38 PM
sailingdog I guess the OP could always try to give David Marsh a call.
03-17-2007 12:55 PM
southerncross31 With my boat came the factory owners directory. Hull #89 was originally sold to David Marsh of 2476 Highwood Drive in Dallas, Texas. It doesn't say if it was factory finished or not though. It came with ivory decks and hull.
03-17-2007 12:38 PM
southerncross31 In my opinion boatyard repair prices are ridiculously high and are only paid by people who make lots of money and don't need to worry. Replacing the core in my cabintop will cost about 800-1000 at most....and that is for a completely finished job and fully rebedded deck hardware. People who work on their own boats buy cheap ones because thay can't afford more. For this reason they will probably keep the boat for a long time and work hard on it. They don't care as much about re-sale value because they aren't spending 100k on the boat. There is no way i can make my non-skid look factory...there will be evidence of my repair, but i don't will just remind me of all the hard work (along with the blood stains on the deck). I'm doing all of the thru-hulls, stuffing box, replacing the head, standing and running rigging (chainplates are fine which suprised me!), redoing all of the woodwork in and out, all of the plumming and a bunch of wiring. I am paying the yard 500 to media blast the hull, then barrier coating and painting it myself. All of this will cost several thousand...but the boats cost 65-75k new in 1978! So for 15-16k total i will have a boat that i am totally confident with and know all of the systems well. I'd really like to get a fully battened Doyle stackpack main and a monitor windvane someday...someday way off in the future . This is the only way I could afford a boat that i feel safe in on the ocean....otherwise i would not be able to do the sailing i want. I guess what i'm saying is that it's not really as expensive to do as everyone makes it out to be, just lots and lots of work...if your in the right boatyard!
03-17-2007 11:30 AM
Why so cheap...

Originally Posted by gentryd
$1500.00 is read right, basically paying past due slip fees, guy just wants out of it.....
Given that these boats are listing for the area 0f $30k, and taking for granted that this example has some DIY interior probably of dubious value, I'd say the seller would ask this price only if he/she knows of $10-20,000 of essential repairs needed to get the boat into normal operating mode, thus giving the boat a zrero if not negative value.

As I've often said, the MOST you can hope in buying a boat is to get what you pay for...
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