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7 Hours Ago 01:30 AM
jerryrlitton
Re: 1989 Hunter 40 - A million questions.

I am not saying that there is not or was not a better way however the main thing here is that he was able to walk away and self critique later, as we all would and sometimes it is better to be lucky than good. It could have been way worse in a hurry. I still think he mucked up buying a production boat (just kidding)
7 Hours Ago 01:06 AM
RTB
Re: 1989 Hunter 40 - A million questions.

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The motor was dead in the first minute after the clattering started just as I was turning back toward the shallower water to anchor. This left us on the edge of a 40'+ deep ship channel with a ship coming down - and 2' shallows that were maybe 30' to leeward from the boat. It was either try to drop anchor in this very dramatic topography (what scope do you use to keep you off the shallows but still bite in 40'+?) or sail. We chose to sail and came out okay. I'm very comfortable with that decision.
Sorry, seems like a long time to let the engine self-destruct (from your blog) -

As I throttled up to get back in the channel, the motor began tearing itself apart. The clattering was unbelievably loud. I turned back toward the shallower, sheltered water we’d just been in and put Quinn on the wheel and ran down below to see if I could figure out what was going on. I tore off all the access panels – but could see nothing obvious. Just that awful clatter – getting worse.

Poor Jesse was casually heading up the companionway ladder from the galley with a can of Pringles (his task before all this happened) and I quickly and forcefully “removed him” onto the settee as I scrambled back to the helm (he thought that was pretty cool). Then the engine died. Oh crap.

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Anchoring in 40' - drop 80-100' in the light wind conditions you reported. Your anchor is your friend. Always have it ready for emergencies.

I'm trying (and failing miserably) to help how you think. I'm not criticizing, just trying to help with future decisions. No way to help with previous actions. I'll just bow out, and let others help.

Ralph
8 Hours Ago 12:54 AM
jerryrlitton
Re: 1989 Hunter 40 - A million questions.

Nothing quite like being the man in the arena when the crowd watching is pointing and saying woulda, shoulda, coulda, good job dude. I have been there before.
8 Hours Ago 12:19 AM
smackdaddy
Re: 1989 Hunter 40 - A million questions.

The motor was dead in the first minute after the clattering started just as I was turning back toward the shallower water to anchor. This left us on the edge of a 40'+ deep ship channel with a ship coming down - and 2' shallows that were maybe 30' to leeward from the boat. It was either try to drop anchor in this very dramatic topography (what scope do you use to keep you off the shallows but still bite in 40'+?) or sail. We chose to sail and came out okay. I'm very comfortable with that decision.
8 Hours Ago 12:03 AM
RTB
Re: 1989 Hunter 40 - A million questions.

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We did what we had to do to save the boat. What you're describing is a luxury we didn't have in the 2-3 minutes it all unfolded.

Oh - and yes, the company who did my work is a:

"Proud Member of the American Boat & Yacht Council"

So I'm not sure what to say about the Racor. I'm just the celebrity here - not the highly-paid pro.
I'm just saying that I'd shut the engine down Immediately once the clatter started, and dropped the hook rather than running it until it quit. Drop the hook. Period. Let the other boats dodge you. 2 or 3 minutes running an engine with a problem will result in a bad outcome. On the Racor - I linked a post for you (I'm no expert). Something that I knew for a few years. Nothing new. Ask your insurance co.

Ralph
9 Hours Ago 11:04 PM
smackdaddy
Re: 1989 Hunter 40 - A million questions.

It will be a new engine/drive - and I should have a resolution on the how and who of covering that cost in the next day or so. I'll let you know how it turns out. I'm hoping for reason and honor amongst all parties.

On this part...

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When the engine starts knocking, shut it down immediately, before more damage can be done. Drop the hook and call for a tow. Listen to that little voice in your head.
We did what we had to do to save the boat. What you're describing is a luxury we didn't have in the 2-3 minutes it all unfolded.

Oh - and yes, the company who did my work is a:

"Proud Member of the American Boat & Yacht Council"

So I'm not sure what to say about the Racor. I'm just the celebrity here - not the highly-paid pro.
10 Hours Ago 10:53 PM
RTB
Re: 1989 Hunter 40 - A million questions.

So, what's new? Any resolution as to what/who is to blame for the (blown?) engine? Where did you buy a new/remanufactured engine? We've got 2 years/+1000hours on our 33 year old Yanmar since we left the dock. An engine failure would be a big hit on the cruising budget for us.

Don't underestimate your engine. There are times when you will absolutely rely on it. It's another tool in your kit.

I love sailing as much as the next guy, but the Caribbean is dead to windward. You will use the engine way more than you had hoped.

Ralph
15 Hours Ago 05:43 PM
RTB
Re: 1989 Hunter 40 - A million questions.

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We're tearing down the engine today. We'll drop the pan and pull the head so the insurance adjuster can have a look at the damage on Monday morning and make a final call on whether it will be covered (improper alignment vs. wear-and-tear). We'll try to have the new engine in here by the end of the week and be back on the move early the following week.

In the mean time, the boys are having a great time fishing, scootering, and playing X-Box. So it's all good.

I'll keep you posted.
That's a pretty aggressive itinerary. I hope it works out the way you plan, Steve.

I just read your blog, and noticed (in the video) the filter those guys installed. It looks like a Racor 200 series filter. I sure wish they had installed a 500 MA, because of this - ABYC Requirements for Diesel Fuel Filters | West Marine Surely, your boys from Y.E.S. know about ABYC standards?



After having a good look at this alignment pic (can be enlarged a bit more on your blog), it's way off. Why let it slide just because the mechanic says it's fine, when you know it doesn't "look right"? Have someone else check it out, if you can't figure it out? Why leave if there is doubt in your mind, considering the trip ahead of you and the boys? Same with the vibration. Turn around, go back to the dock, and figure it out before you head out. When the engine starts knocking, shut it down immediately, before more damage can be done. Drop the hook and call for a tow. Listen to that little voice in your head. It's saved me a few times.



Well, I feel I need to stay out of your business, but I'm pulling for you guys. Hopefully, things will smooth out for you.

Ralph
2 Days Ago 10:09 AM
smackdaddy
Re: 1989 Hunter 40 - A million questions.

We're tearing down the engine today. We'll drop the pan and pull the head so the insurance adjuster can have a look at the damage on Monday morning and make a final call on whether it will be covered (improper alignment vs. wear-and-tear). We'll try to have the new engine in here by the end of the week and be back on the move early the following week.

In the mean time, the boys are having a great time fishing, scootering, and playing X-Box. So it's all good.

I'll keep you posted.
5 Days Ago 09:38 AM
VF84Sluggo
Re: 1989 Hunter 40 - A million questions.

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Anyway, this might sound crazy, but we're having a blast. The people here are seriously kind and generous - awesome folks. The boys are fishing and playing. It's a great adventure. No complaints.
And that's really what it's all about, isn't it? Enjoy the time with your boys...they'll be all grown up before you know it.

If it's any consolation, as a mechanic buddy of mine consoled once as I was facing a total engine removal and overhaul, "Hey, cheer up, there's nothing that time and money won't fix!"

Sluggo
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