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01-06-2014 09:38 AM
christian.hess
Re: Inconvenient Bahama sailing

thought the op might be interested in this thread:

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-r...ng-boat-3.html

cheers
01-04-2014 05:33 PM
christian.hess
Re: Inconvenient Bahama sailing

thats some sage advice

thanks so much man

really appreciate it

I should add the boat is in my name since a foreigner "aka myself2 can own a salvadorean flagged boat no problem...

at least thats ok to do down here...jajaja not much else thanks to plenty of gov jobs! jajajajajaja

peace
01-04-2014 05:06 PM
hellosailor
Re: Inconvenient Bahama sailing

"I wish it were easy to just find out how long you can stay in each state with a foreign boat"
That IS easy. In the same phone call, or mail, where you ask ICE whether your green-carded alien wife and bring her foreign-flagged vessel into the US without a cruising permit, you can ask them about where it can go.
If she is bringing it in under a cruising permit, then the vessel falls entirely under federal jurisdiction and it can stay anyplace in the US for the duration of its stay. State laws concerning boat registration do not apply to foreign-flagged yachts under a federal permit.
On the other hand, you probably will be required to report in every time the boat moves, even if that is from one dock to the one adjacent to it.
ICE will respond to your entry questions, and the USCG is very good about answering anything else. (Probably much better at answering anything else.)
Since they're both administrative agencies plagued by incompetent bureaucrats (no offense to the SAR teams) who are never held responsible for what they say, you might prefer to contact them the old fashioned way, in writing, and keep their replies in with the vessels documents. That will generally get you considerable slack if their instructions were wrong.
01-04-2014 03:32 PM
christian.hess
Re: Inconvenient Bahama sailing

guess its one of those do it and find out scenarios, jeje

my son will be us citzen by way of myself and my father who was american and my wife will eventually become she is full fledged salvadorean but has a nice 10 year visa


in any case sorry for the thread derail...

I wish it were easy to just find out how long you can stay in each state with a foreign boat etc...honestly just like here, immigration and dmv and each state is so bureacratic that the good tidbits get lost in all the gibberish.
01-04-2014 11:55 AM
hellosailor
Re: Inconvenient Bahama sailing

"My boat is salvadorean flagged....Im a us citizen..."

As a citizen, you would almost certainly be allowed re-entry. As would your family, assuming they are also all US citizens. But since the vessel is foreign-flagged, my vague understanding is that IT will need a cruising permit, and someone may ask why you are "importing" a foreign flagged vessel. Or they may not even notice, I have no idea what the politics involved are these days.

Each country has their own rules. As far as I know, all will only flag a vessel if it is owned by their own citizens--or by "native" corporations. Often those can be owned by foreigners or blind agents, but that's a whole other complexity to get into.
01-03-2014 11:44 PM
christian.hess
Re: Inconvenient Bahama sailing

Quote:
Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
Christian, if the boat is foreign flagged you need a cruising permit, which is NOT assured, and permission to enter every time you come in. And again if it is foreign flagged, some foreigner has to own it. For megayachts with corporate entities owning them it can pay to set up and run the corporation behind them, but for an individual just trying to keep a cheap boat?

Very different ball game.

And if you don't play the game correctly and the IRS declares your ownership to be a "sham corporation", the boat goes bye-bye along with many other assets until after you have gone to tax court.
hmmm bummer
I didnt know they had to be foreign OWNED

My boat is salvadorean flagged....does this mean I could not get even a temporary cruising permit if I wanted to go work in florida or someting and liveaboard with my family?

Im a us citizen...

man see thats why I said maybe its better to cut losses....

btw I knew plenty of megayachts foreign flagged by us owners...does this mean they all had foreign companies?

thanks

good luck on your decision op
01-02-2014 01:46 PM
hellosailor
Re: Inconvenient Bahama sailing

Christian, if the boat is foreign flagged you need a cruising permit, which is NOT assured, and permission to enter every time you come in. And again if it is foreign flagged, some foreigner has to own it. For megayachts with corporate entities owning them it can pay to set up and run the corporation behind them, but for an individual just trying to keep a cheap boat?

Very different ball game.

And if you don't play the game correctly and the IRS declares your ownership to be a "sham corporation", the boat goes bye-bye along with many other assets until after you have gone to tax court.
01-02-2014 10:47 AM
christian.hess
Re: Inconvenient Bahama sailing

how long can you keep a foreign flagged boat in the port nearest you in florida? if 6 months or so at a time then you could hop WITH the boat back and forth and USE it more

I saw plenty of antigua flagged, bermuda flagged and foreign flagged boats in florida mostly big yachts all the time...

really I know its mostly tax evasion BUTthey do stay there for months at a time leave then come back...could you not do that on a smaller scale if you will?

good luck

BTW cutting losses is a way of life I think...you lose here but make up somewhere else...
karmic way of life

you could also do something awesome like give the boat a way for a song to one of your cavemen friends...and maybe just doing that will liberate you enough to get something nicer or better back home!

who knows!

happy 2014
01-02-2014 12:03 AM
miatapaul
Re: Inconvenient Bahama sailing

Yes, I think you only have two choices. Bring it back and use it locally, or sell/give it away. With the money you are spending you could charter something nicer. Just think when you fly in, the charter will be waiting, and you just go. No spending half your time getting it ready to go out, then the other half getting it ready to go back on the hard. Get a couple of those fancy boat lovin folks to go in with you on the charter and it will be cheaper.

One question is if you bring it back, if you took it back to the islands would the registration still be valid? You may not actually loose it.
01-01-2014 12:11 PM
denverd0n
Re: Inconvenient Bahama sailing

Quote:
Originally Posted by krisscross View Post
Throwing good money after the bad is not smart.
There's your answer.
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