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04-05-2007 12:11 PM
AlainPOIRAUD Hi Camaraderie,

I fully understand your answer.. but my post came as an answer to the comments from “Craig Smith” !

John Harries and Phyllis Nickel of Morgan's Cloud are using 2 x Rocna 110s as a permanent mooring for their 55'er. .

When Craig will stop making heavy, continuous, and tiresome ADVERTISING about his products , I will stop to attack them..

As Sailingdog rightly says: “The fact that I am the designer of a competing anchor model makes what I report highly suspect in any case


With perhaps a few exception.

- I do not come on nautical forums to make the promotion of the products I have designed..

- If, following the circumstances, I have to cite the said products, I always do my best to stay as neutral as I can.

- As I do not have any (anymore) financial interest in any anchor, there is no reasons for me to make “biased” comments..

Now, the report is not mine, but the one of S/V Caribbean Soul, and it is him who use the word “TOP RATED”..

And last point.. it is interesting to compare the results of the same post in different forums, such as :
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=LIVEABOARD&Number=1394436&page=0&fpart=all where it went to a very open discussion..

Are some forums more open minded that others??
04-05-2007 09:06 AM
sailingdog Alain-

I'm sure if we searched on the Internet, we could find horror stories about almost any piece of equipment on a boat. Given the size of the internet, it is likely that there is both bad and good about any piece of gear on it. One instance of a boat dragging on a specific anchor may have much more to say about the anchoring skills of the person on that boat than it does about the piece of gear.

Furthermore, without the context of what size boat Irish Fever was and what size Rocna anchor she was using at the time she dragged, the fact that shed dragged is meaningless. If she's a 50' catamaran with a 22' beam and on a Rocna 20 kg anchor, it wouldn't really surprise me if she dragged. If she was a 28' sloop on a Rocna 10kg, it would be a bit more surprising.

I can get almost any anchor to drag, even if it is set properly, by simply undersizing the anchor for the given boat.

The fact that you are the designer of a competing anchor model makes what you report highly suspect in any case. I generally don't listen to what GM says about Fords or Chryslers for the same reason...
04-05-2007 02:02 AM
camaraderie Alain...you're entitled to your post but your continous attacks on Craigs anchor are rather childish and tiresome. All that post proves is that a bunch of people in Georgetown dragged a bunch of different anchors. No test...no controls...no info on WHY. That you take pleasure in dredging through the web to find stuff on Rocna says more about you than about the anchor think.
04-04-2007 11:38 PM
AlainPOIRAUD
http://www.caribbeansoul.us/feb2007d.htm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig Smith
I think that John Harries and Phyllis Nickel of Morgan's Cloud are using 2 x Rocna 110s as a permanent mooring for their 55'er. .
I'm not that sure that it will be a good thing to make your own test with products which have only a limited experience???..

For your information, read the report from s/v caribean soul on S/V Caribbean Soul

Weathering the Big Blow:
We hear boats on the radio who are dragging anchors… Irish Fever's top-rated Rocna anchor drags... >>
04-03-2007 12:03 AM
sailaway21 Why use a 300 lb mushroom anchor when you can just tie the boat up alongside the tugboat you were going to have set the anchor for you?
04-02-2007 08:58 PM
sailingdog Sonny-

Depends on the bottom. If the bottom is hardpacked sand, rock or gravel, then the mushroom is not a very good choice, as it really needs to bury itself to work well. If the bottom is mud, then the mushroom is probably a good choice.
04-02-2007 08:56 PM
S/VNirvana For a 24" boat up to 6,000 lbs. I would use 200 mushroom anchor. If you know for a fact that larger boats are going to use it then 250 lbs. is good for a max of 33 ft and 14,000 lbs. The chain should be at least 1/2" and use 2 swivles one at the mushroom and one at the top before the float. This is if there is no strong current. If you have a strong current I would go up in mushroom weight to 300 lbs.
03-29-2007 06:58 PM
wildcard Builld a wood box or something similar such as a milk crate with a garbage bag linner. For what your dealing with, that is plenty. Get a truck intertube and blow it up. Put a piece of plywood over the tube sit the box on it and fill it with cement at shore side. Then when it has cured some float it out and tip it over! For the hardware, Id get a big ole stainless eyebolt with rebar welded to it or at least big fender washers. Another popular (localy anyway) attachment poiont is a tire stuck sideways in the cement but thses are much bigger moorings.
Using real anchors just seems silly to me.
Make you eye a few feet below the surface and no one will know your not anchored.
03-27-2007 11:41 PM
tigerregis An imagination is a wonderful thing, but the only thing that can hang on it is The Queen of Hearts and The Mad Hatter.
03-27-2007 11:19 PM
sailingdog flomaster-

I'd imagine a drive wheel off of an M1 Abrams would work pretty nicely for a mooring anchor too...
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