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5 Days Ago 01:22 PM
captain jack
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

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Originally Posted by grnrngr View Post
I'm betting you'd end up lame if you didn't actually " qualify" for that patch..
colors. wearing the patch is called wearing colors. and it's not lame to wear colors you didn't 'earn', it is dangerous....possibly even fatal. depending on the 'club'. 1%ers take that stuff serious enough to savagely beat, cripple, or even kill someone who is not a member but displays their colors or, sometimes, even something similar to the image on their colors. there is a rather famous incident involving the angels, back in the 60s.

also very dangerous, is wearing your club colors in someone else's territory.
5 Days Ago 01:03 PM
grnrngr
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

I'm betting you'd end up lame if you didn't actually " qualify" for that patch..
5 Days Ago 12:59 PM
Squidd
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

Probably heard this before, but 99% of motorcyclists are "not" vicious criminals...some are...

Yet you find a large portion of motorcyclists wearing black and skulls, ink (and flags)...

It would not be PC to condem "all" the MCs that wear black, skulls, ink and flags based on the actions of a few...

Yet here we are condeming (calling lame) the flying of a flag based on the actions of a few...

Maybe that's why I'm OK with the pirate flag...and not OK with small minded prejudice...
5 Days Ago 11:53 AM
Squidd
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

More of a "Patch" ...but we did wear a lot of black and skulls...

No eye shadow, but a lot of ink...
5 Days Ago 11:45 AM
titustiger27
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

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Kind of sounds like the "motorcycle association" I used to ride with....
did you have a flag
5 Days Ago 11:44 AM
Squidd
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

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...Mostly they were criminals and very viscous ones. And the end result of their plunder was to drink and whore. (I just read a bit how they very seldom buried their treasure, because the riches were spent on drink, gambling and women (I think there is a Pogues album like that)...
Kind of sounds like the "motorcycle association" I used to ride with....
5 Days Ago 09:25 AM
titustiger27
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

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that's nothing against pirates, though. that's the time period. remember that America has always been democratic (well, a representative republic, really) yet had legal slavery during the early years and extreme descrimination for considerably longer.
yes and no.... that is I have seen things where it was presented that people of color had opportunity on a pirate ship (often because they made up a percentage on pirate ships).... in reality their percentage was either as a slave doing the worse --- or as cargo.

Several times the plunder was the slaves from a slave ship.

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still...as you point out, that was the time period. considering the violence and brutality of accepted governments towards their citizens and non-citizens alike, pirates weren't all that much worse. that's the thing about history: you really can't judge the past by the standards of today.
Often portrayed (in pop culture) as kind of robin hoods... like they had a reason to be who they were.. that they were avenging a wrong.

Mostly they were criminals and very viscous ones. And the end result of their plunder was to drink and whore. (I just read a bit how they very seldom buried their treasure, because the riches were spent on drink, gambling and women (I think there is a Pogues album like that)...

I understand they were a product of their time, but men owning men -- even if it was common, doesn't make it right (not in our standards for sure, but really... and torture is torture..

and it was ruthless
5 Days Ago 03:48 AM
captain jack
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

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Pretty good, with interesting facts... but it jumps around a bit too much for my tastes... maybe a 3.5 out of five

Instead of a straight history... there are topics.. like
"Wooden Legs and Parrots"
"Women Pirates and Pirates' Women"

Mostly in a way to address the perception of Pirates in popular culture.

There is the perception that pirates are democratic...which they were to some extent.. mainly if you were white, if you were black, you were still a slave..
that's nothing against pirates, though. that's the time period. remember that America has always been democratic (well, a representative republic, really) yet had legal slavery during the early years and extreme descrimination for considerably longer.

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One of the things that are relevant to some comments in this thread. Most of the pirates were pretty vicious, but the book points out if you were on many of the other Merchant or Military shops, you might have been treated just as poorly. In the vein of many of the facts in Bill Bryson's "At Home" there were times that if you lived and you weren't wealthy, your life was short and fairly horrible.
still...as you point out, that was the time period. considering the violence and brutality of accepted governments towards their citizens and non-citizens alike, pirates weren't all that much worse. that's the thing about history: you really can't judge the past by the standards of today.

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Edit: one of the ironies of the title and of Jolly Rogers is often Pirate flags had a red background... or red in them --- blood and death being the main theme

very true
5 Days Ago 01:07 AM
titustiger27
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

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how is the book? always looking for good reading material.
Pretty good, with interesting facts... but it jumps around a bit too much for my tastes... maybe a 3.5 out of five

Instead of a straight history... there are topics.. like
"Wooden Legs and Parrots"
"Women Pirates and Pirates' Women"

Mostly in a way to address the perception of Pirates in popular culture.

There is the perception that pirates are democratic...which they were to some extent.. mainly if you were white, if you were black, you were still a slave..

One of the things that are relevant to some comments in this thread. Most of the pirates were pretty vicious, but the book points out if you were on many of the other Merchant or Military shops, you might have been treated just as poorly. In the vein of many of the facts in Bill Bryson's "At Home" there were times that if you lived and you weren't wealthy, your life was short and fairly horrible.

Edit: one of the ironies of the title and of Jolly Rogers is often Pirate flags had a red background... or red in them --- blood and death being the main theme

5 Days Ago 12:34 AM
captain jack
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

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I am in the midst of a book on pirates ("Under the Black Flag") + I read an interview with him shortly after he started doing the series... There are many things he and the director tried to do.... that stayed true to history... if not truly historically correct --- like marooning pirates or eating in the dark because the food was so bad or speaking like they were slightly drunk all time (since they drank almost constantly)

Edit: The eyeshadow might have to do with Pirates tried to create this environment of fear.. in hopes those they were attacking would not try to fight back --- Blackbeard (I think most know) used to burn fuses in his hair and had menacing eyes... maybe Depp was trying to crate a bit of that look...like how he painted eyes on his eyelids
how is the book? always looking for good reading material.
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