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01-01-2016 06:19 PM
titustiger27
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

Nah.. if I had a tough time with what anyone thought...

well I will let the people who know what I am thinking post for me.


Which some will do even after I actually say what I think.


They're tryin' to drink all the punches


01-01-2016 02:17 PM
Minnewaska
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

You must be having a tough time with what others think, as you keep trying to twist it to somehow please yourself.

No one has said what you should or shouldn't do, but you try to say they are.

No one has told you not to have fun any way you like, but you try to say they are.

No one has told you what to think, but you try to say they are. (and ironically try to tell them not to think they way they do)

Certainly, no one in their right mind would equate an eye roll over a lame cartoon flag as having any relation to the acceptance of slavery. That was inappropriate and, frankly, I would have expected a retraction or apology. Think there are any members here that are actual descendants of slaves who think that quibble is the same as yachtsman disputing a pennant?

You simply take exception that many think flying a pirate flag is lame. You can do whatever you like and that's simply what most people will think about it, but no one is going to make you take it down. Get over it. It's lame. Flaunt your lame flag all you like, but own it. Stop trying to redefine why others feel that way.
01-01-2016 01:24 PM
titustiger27
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?



I recommend reading "Under the Black Flag"

Lots of interesting things about pirates.. to some extent sailors on pirate ships were slaves. Not Africans, but often men from captured ships were given a choice: be a pirate or death.

The thing I take from the book is the fact that -- that was then this is now. I don't know of many who are appalled by a pirate flag because their family was decimated by pirates.. For the most part it has taken on a cartoon (and fun) nature... perhaps that is wrong.

I don't believe people who like to fly a pirate think they are striking fear into others; I don't think people on boats with a jolly rogers can be summed up with one word (No more than posters on a sailing forum could be lumped together as one thing); Just as I don't believe the logo of the Tampa Bay Football team scares the other teams more than the Lion on the Detroit's team

12-30-2015 02:54 PM
centerline
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

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But they didn't free the slaves.


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correct... no more than they would have dumped any other cargo. they were not in the business of returning the cargo to where it was aquired, nor did they care how it got used after it was unloaded. it was only another cargo that they randomly took with the obvious intent of exchanging it for money/supplies...
12-30-2015 09:32 AM
Bleemus
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

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Originally Posted by centerline View Post
just to clarify what the history books tell us...



none of us were actually there so we dont really know for sure, but according to the historians that take an interest in all things pirate, pirates did not deal in slavery directly, but would sell a cargo that was captured, regardless of what it was...



and pirates sold their cargos almost exclusively on the black market or to smugglers, as they had very little room to negotiate due to their "status" as pirates.... the buyers of the cargo, and the end sellers of it were the actual people involved in the "trade"...

the pirates had nothing to do whatsoever with what was on the ship, they only intercepted it and changed its intended destination.

But they didn't free the slaves.


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12-29-2015 07:37 PM
centerline
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

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Originally Posted by SVAuspicious View Post
You do realize that most pirates were slavers also, right?
just to clarify what the history books tell us...

none of us were actually there so we dont really know for sure, but according to the historians that take an interest in all things pirate, pirates did not deal in slavery directly, but would sell a cargo that was captured, regardless of what it was...

and pirates sold their cargos almost exclusively on the black market or to smugglers, as they had very little room to negotiate due to their "status" as pirates.... the buyers of the cargo, and the end sellers of it were the actual people involved in the "trade"...
the pirates had nothing to do whatsoever with what was on the ship, they only intercepted it and changed its intended destination.
12-29-2015 05:51 PM
SVAuspicious
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

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Originally Posted by titustiger27 View Post
So, if I have this right... when pirates flew a Jolly Rogers not as a novelty.. not to show others they weren't wound too tight, but when it was flow to put fear on all other ships at sea -- during 1660s to 1730s if you thought slavery was to stop.. the popular opinion was 'you are lame'

So if we are using the thinking of some here... slavery was okay... because of a populous vote?
You do realize that most pirates were slavers also, right?

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Originally Posted by titustiger27 View Post
Fortunately many of us live in America.. the land of the free, where we have a right to pursue happiness and fly a pirate flag... I will not let the thought police to hamper my fun.. or the rights of all men and women.
People in the United States have the right to do all kinds of things, including lame things.

Remember the Quest.
12-29-2015 05:33 PM
Minnesail
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

I just finished reading http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/081297722X?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00
Some pirates really did fly the Jolly Roger, others used similar designs. The book covered the blurry lines between privateers and pirates and how we came to romanticize them, from The Pirates of Penzance 140 years ago to the Pirates of the Caribbean today. Good book, fun read.

Oh, and fly whatever flag you like

12-29-2015 01:40 AM
centerline
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

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Originally Posted by titustiger27 View Post

sand?

You made my point for me... thanks you. Opinions change.. which shows that opinions are wrong even when they are in a majority

People who have different opinions and say so, are not bullying anyone.. telling people their opinions are lame is a different story.

I am not sure why you go to forums, but I don't go to be bullied be clear, I am joking about that people do not come to forums to have arguments to be called names and told they don't know what they are talking about.. Maybe you do, I don't and I would guess a lot of folks are like myself and don't want to get into nasty arguments (I am talking in general, not this thread)

I am not sure if the internet was created for forums, I am pretty sure the Arpanet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet) was created to share information and not so much for insults. I believe

There is a difference between 'friendly' people have a discussion.. To express thoughts and opinions.. and clearly telling people their head is in the sand... which I am sure you meant in a friendly way.

People are often wrong, I am often wrong.. and opinions can be wrong...
pull your head out of the sand.... come into the light... wake up and smell the coffee, or the roses.... basically, you should realize that what you are trying to use as comparisons are not relevent to the cause here, and skewed in general...

and in reply to the comments in your last post about "telling people their opinions are lame, is bullying"...
ARE YOU FREAKING BLIND???. have you READ the title of the post???... thats what the OP is ASKING... and the majority of the responders said yes ITS LAME... (oops!.. that may have been a bit loud, but wasnt meant as bullying. but you really do need to read the post title)

so with this, I must respectfully say that its my opinion that the argument you have presented is as lame as flying a pirate flag, and shouldnt be used in an attempt to change someones mind into believing this thread and its content, is a bullying tactic....
12-29-2015 01:30 AM
RobGallagher
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

I have to agree with Mennewaska. WTF has this to do with slavery or anything even remotely historic. It's about flying a freeking flag that lends us to our childhood dreams of ships and swords and eye patches and funny accents.

No one wants to rape pillage, enslave, torture, or kill. It's just an excuse to raise a flag that, instead of instilling dread in weary travelers, says "dinghy on over for a mojito".
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Really, at times I wonder if the world has gone mad. Who f u k c ing cares?
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