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01-10-2014 01:29 PM
Re: Getting into sailing

Originally Posted by chuck53 View Post
Something tells me we have run off another newbie. While a few posts were a little on the harsh side (me included), he got a lot of good, sound advice.
You guys are rough on us newbies!!
01-10-2014 11:33 AM
Re: Getting into sailing

Originally Posted by deniseO30 View Post
well for 175K you have a boat made their owners the Pardeys
Talking about voyaging on a budget
01-10-2014 11:20 AM
Re: Getting into sailing

Something tells me we have run off another newbie. While a few posts were a little on the harsh side (me included), he got a lot of good, sound advice.
01-09-2014 06:49 PM
socal c25
Re: Getting into sailing

For the money you'll put into building a "small boat" you would of been able to get a 25 to 26 foot Coronado of Columbia keel boat that would be forgiving and yet able to get some serious water under you. Weekending would be more comfortable and because you didn't cross the 27 foot barrier costs would be a little cheaper for just about everything. I am on the west coast (So Cal) and I sailed a dingy once or twice as a child. At the age of 30 I bought a 21' trailer sailer, had it 2 years then to a 25 trailer sailer for 3 years then into a 30 for a few years, sold it in 97' now I am back sailing with a 25 Coronado and I am really liking it, even after having a 30' I don't mind the difference because this 25 is very roomy for its size and I will be sailing to Catalina Island often (25 miles) open ocean and over nighters offshore down to San Diego or up to Santa Barbara. I have no problems with this 45 year old boat going offshore, just no trips to Hawaii as this boat was built for coastal cruising.
01-09-2014 06:14 PM
Re: Getting into sailing

There is a lot of good advice in this discussion, but at the heart of it, I would strongly back the suggestion to buy a small inexpensive boat for your first boat and sail the living daylights out of her. This will be the least expensive and fastest way to learn to sail and decide if the sailing life is for you.

There are a thousand little decisions in building a boat, decisions that you don't always know that you are making. These decisions can be small and insignificant, or they can make a boat a pain in the butt to sail. While an experienced sailor may make some minor mistakes, unless you understand how a boat operates, its easy to make far more serious errors, even building a simple dinghy.

Once you start to learn more about sailing, you can try to crew for folks or do trips to look at and perhaps sail on a range of boats. Once you have spent some time sailing and looking at the range of choices out there, you might still elect to build your own boat, but you would also understand why the James Cook would make a really lousy choice for what you are proposing to do with her.

I apologize that what follows is pretty long, and that I wrote this for another discussion but hopefully it may be helpful to you as you pursue your dreams.....

"The dream of voyaging under sail can be a powerful one. There was a period when several times a month I would receive an email from someone who is considering doing just what you are proposing. I have watched literally dozens of folks go through this. Some are successful in getting 'out there', some discover that they really enjoy sailing and find that they really have no need to 'go out there’; some have discovered that the sailing life is just not for them, and others have not even gotten past the dreaming stage.

From what I have seen, the most successful have been the ones who have been somewhat systematic about going. There is a lot to learn before one can safely venture offshore. No one would assume that they could buy a jet airliner take a few lessons and be able to fly around the world. I think most rational people would expect to start with a small plane and work their way up. But for some reason people assume that they can just go out and buy a big boat, take a couple lessons, read a few books, and then go safely cruising.

While there are people who literally taken a few lessons, read a few books and went out cruising, those that were successful following that route are far more rare than those who have done some kind of apprenticeship. Learning to sail and learning to cruise involves a lot of knowledge and no matter how much you know, there will always be more to learn, but I suggest that you at least take the time to learn the basics, and that just about can’t happen if you buy ‘a big sailboat’ and move your family aboard.

I find myself saying this a lot lately, but here I go again. We all come to sailing with our own specific needs, our own specific goals and our own specific capabilities. The neat thing about sailing is that we all don’t have to agree that there is only one right way to go sailing. There is no more truth in expecting that there is one universally right answer about many aspects of sailing than there is in trying to prove that vanilla ice cream is universally better than strawberry ice cream. One area of sailing for which there is no one universally right answer involves the amount of knowledge one requires to go sailing.

For some, all they need or want to know about sailing is just enough knowledge to safely leave the slip sail where they want and get back safely. There is nothing inherently wrong with that approach. Lack of knowledge will impact the level of risk, cost, comfort, and performance, but if you want to get out there with minimal knowledge it can be done. But for others, like myself, there is much more to sailing than simply developing a rudimentary knowledge of sailing basics. If you fall into that camp, it is next to impossible to learn to sail really well on a boat as large as the one in question.

While I am in no way suggesting that this makes sense for everyone, for those who really want to learn to sail well, I strongly suggest that they start out buying either a dinghy (14-18 feet) if they are athletically inclined, or else buying a used 23 to 27 foot, responsive, light-weight, tiller steered, fin keel/spade rudder (ideally fractionally rigged) sloop. Boats like these provide the kind of feedback that is so necessary to teach a newcomer how to really sail well. Boats like these have small enough loads on lines and the helm that you, your spouse and your children if you have them, can all participate and learn together. Being able to learn and participate, the children will be more engaged and less likely to be bored and feel kidnapped.

By sailing well, I mean understanding the nuances of boat handling and sail trim in a way that cannot be learned on a larger boat. Used small boats generally hold their values quite well so that after a year or even few years or so of learning, you should be able to get most of your money out of the small boat and move on to a bigger boat actually knowing something about which specific desirable characteristics of a boat appeal to you as an experienced sailor rather than the preferences of some stranger on some Internet discussion group.

From the advice that you have already gotten you can tell that there will not be a consensus of opinion on how to go distance cruising.

In any event, if I were in your shoes, I would sit down and put together a list of all of the things that I would want to know before I set off voyaging such as:
• Boat handling
• Sail trim
• Rules of the road
• Weather
• Routing
• Boat husbandry, repair and maintenance
• Diesel/ gas engine maintenance and repair
• First aid
• Heavy weather tactics
• Legal restrictions on leaving and entering foreign countries
• Navigation, (Piloting, Celestial, dead reckoning and electronic)
• Provisioning
• Radio operators license exam requirements
• Safe and dangerous fish to eat
• Survival skills
• Etc………..

Once I had what I thought was a complete list, I would set up a schedule to try to develop those areas of skill that I was currently lacking. As much as possible, if there are others involved, I would try to involve all those involved in as many of those aspects as each is capable of understanding. This process could take as little as a year, but more often takes two to three years. The process itself can be very rewarding and can build the kind of skills and knowledge set that would be required to be cast away on that oh so small island that a boat underway represents. But in the course of learning about sailing and boat types, you may also learn enough about yourself that your goals may change along the way. In the end, it is only you who sets your goals, and its only you that gets to change them. There is no sin in changing what you want to do. The only sin is not dreaming in the first place. "

01-09-2014 05:07 PM
Re: Getting into sailing

Yup, there are folks who would really rather work on a boat than sail it. I am not one of them.
01-09-2014 04:14 PM
Re: Getting into sailing

well for 175K you have a boat made their owners the Pardeys
1983 Lyle C. Hess Cutter Sail Boat For Sale -

I think it would need an engine for anyone else with a bit lesser experience...
01-09-2014 03:03 PM
ABH3 Boyer
Re: Getting into sailing

I wish I had some more sailing experience before rebuilding my current boat. I got it for free and put about $5000 worth of parts and materials along with well over 200 hours of my labor. Took it down to the fiberglass hull and re framed and fitted the interior / exterior. The boat is worth what I put into it but there are many things I would have done differently if I had the experience that I have just 3 short years later. I also had an awesome time doing it but wish I had just spent the cash on something that was ready to sail.
01-09-2014 02:29 PM
Re: Getting into sailing

Get to Kentucky Lake and see what is there as I have seen small sail boats out on it.
01-09-2014 01:48 PM
Re: Getting into sailing

Whatever you do, don't build a boat to take you seriously sailing for the first time. That's nuts.

Find a cheap boat and go sail the hell out of it. Trade up to a bigger better boat and do it again. Then, after you've sailed for a good long time and know much, much more about sailing and sailboats (e.g. - after your circumnavigation) - you'll have a better idea of what kind of boat you'd want to build and the experience to know if it's worth it.

IMUSO - newbs who get suckered into building a boat before they've got much sailing experience rarely end up happy at the end of a seriously long, expensive, and frustrating process.

Just go sail and have fun. It's easy.
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