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|04-02-2007 02:37 PM|
|sailingdog||TB, I that video is the same one that Safari uses on their website. And it is one I point people to when they ask me why I went multihulll.|
|04-02-2007 01:57 PM|
Oh that's right SD, with a tri-hull, you have built-in flopper stoppers. Aside from the speed advantage, that's one of a multi-hull's best attributes.
Did you see the video in the Gunboat site yet? They claim a Gunboat 60 has a top speed of 30 kts, shown passing an 80 ft Pugh, which was "only" doing 18 kts.
Gunboat - click on Video
|04-02-2007 01:47 PM|
Ummm.. I don't see a point to them... But I don't tend to rock all that much at anchor... there are advantages to having a really wide beam...
I'd prefer to launch an RPG at the sportfisherman...and clear up the problem for all the other nearby boaters...
|04-02-2007 01:45 PM|
|TrueBlue||Too bad there wasn't a means to deploy some kind of device while underway . . . to minimize rolling whenever one of those close-passing, semi-displacement sportfishers throws a huge wake.|
|04-02-2007 01:39 PM|
The Pardeys use them at anchor and instructions on how to make them are found on their DVDs. They use a box-type with a flapper valve, presumably so that they can be folded flat for stowing, but the rigging method seems identical to SmartCaptain's. Needless to say, they were homemade...the Pardeys don't like to buy what they can make!
Frankly, they seemed like a pretty good idea. Some anchorages that are otherwise safe and secure can get very sloppy. Also, I suppose deploying this device could fall under "chafe gear" because a boat that isn't rolling over 40 degree arcs is less likely to chafe. I would use this plus a riding sail.
|04-02-2007 01:09 PM|
|XTR||Shrimp boats drop them off the outriggers, that works, but you've got a really long outriggers (30ft+) hanging out there.|
|04-02-2007 12:55 PM|
I guess everyone here is pretty much correct. I will just add a bit:
A Paravane Stabilizer (also know as a flopper stopper) is in fact a device that slows the rocking from side to side on a boat. However, I find it is generally a term associated with full/semi-displaceement trawlers.
It was originally designed by the offshore shrimpers/trawling fish boats. It consists of two "poles" stretching off to either side of the boat. Long lines are lead from the poles down to what are commonly called fish (look like odd-shaped anchors). By presenting weighted "fish" that have the effect of pulling downwhen moving, the boat maintains an easy motion at sea.
Flopper stoppers are probably most effective while moving, but many people will tell you they work at anchor too. They are commonly employed on offshore trawlers and fishing boats, even today, with Nordhavn being one of the most recogninzed to use them. Here is a good example. THe fish are hanging on his transom:
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Many manufaturers of offshore trawlers have moved away from flopper stoppers (paravane stabilizers) in lieu of an active stabilization (versus passive stabilization). Part of the reason for this movement is the potential for a serious/deadly effect of losing one of the fish when they are both deployed, often causing the boat to round up and broach or heel so far to one side, it partially capsizes: The use of roll damping paravane systems (paravane stabilizers) - #15/2000 - Ship Safety Bulletin - Marine Safety
Active stabilizers, like the Naiad stabilizers (- Naiad® Marine Systems) are like little fins that move up and down under the boat, keeping the boat flat in a rolling sea. However, these stabilizers only work while that boat is moving. They work well, but are prone to failure (as was reported on the Nordhavn rally from Fl to Gibraltar) and are quite expensive (around 25-35k, as I recall). Still, with the dangers and effort requires for a paravane, they may still be the best overall answer. In fact, Nordhavn has pushed away from reccomending paravane in lieu of Naiad's.
Hope that helps.
|04-02-2007 12:52 PM|
Here is an example, but details are pretty hard to make out.
Do these things actually make landlubbers more comfortable?
|04-02-2007 12:36 PM|
I've used a home-made version of the "flopper stopper" on my 38' full-keel sailboat while anchored in Key West. You'll need three or four five-gallon pails (available at the nearest "Dumpster Marine" outlet store), a 20' piece of 1/2" line, two old rubber door mats, some dive weights and a 2" hole saw.
Cut five 2" holes in the bottom of each pail, then cut a circular piece of doormat to fit in the bottom of each pail. Drill a hole through the middle of each pail so you can string them with about 8" of space between each one on the 1/2" line. Attach some sort of weight (e.g. 15 lbs of dive weights, rocks, etc) on the bottom end of the bottom bucket.
This rig is deployed over the side at the end of your whisker pole swung out abeam of your boat. As the boat rolls down, the weights pull the pails down and the doormat "valve flaps" allow water to rush in easily. As the boat rolls back up the valves flap shut and the upward pull on the pails is quite considerable. Multiply by the length of your whisker pole, and you have a pretty good "lateral sea anchor" to help reduce rolling.
IMPORTANT NOTE: Use your main halyard or other sturdy line to support the ouboard end of the whisker pole. Most topping lifts are not made for the heavy load that the pails will put on the up-stroke.
Hope this helps,
|04-02-2007 12:08 PM|
[quote=sailingdog]The ones used on sailboats are square box-like things that have flaps that allow them to move through the water easily in one direction but resist motion in the other. They're designed to help reduce the rolling of boats while at anchor or docked.[/quote]
Yup, what SD said.
Personally I don't see why anyone would use them. If I want to sleep on the hard I'll do it at home.
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