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17 Minutes Ago 05:54 PM
therapy23
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

I was entering a river no-wake zone and since I was idling a little faster, I passed another small Jon boat that was displaying a "pirate flag"/"Jolly Roger". As I passed them about 20ft away I pulled out my machete and waving it I hollered "AAhhrrrrr".

The skipper on the boat went pale with a look of horror and fear on his face. I put the machete down, looked forward and motored on, maybe shaking my head a little.

His kids just looked bewildered. I felt bad for them.

I felt bad too for my lame attempt at humor.
1 Hour Ago 04:47 PM
Don0190
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

this thread just shows that just because something is lame it doesn't stop people from doing it
2 Hours Ago 03:43 PM
jongleur
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

futility of reaching a consensus

You could say that about every issue posted in
this forum.

But the preponderance on this issue is that the
excuses or explanations for flying a JR are lame.

...also insensitive, rude and creepy.
2 Hours Ago 03:37 PM
rgscpat
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

For what it's worth, it seems a bit unfair to judge Sir Francis Drake by modern mores. Yes, some of his acts were horrific, but how were they seen in the light of his times? How did his countrymen judge him? How did he live his life afterward? No, he was not an angel, even in a violent era, but neither would I think of him as unabashedly evil. I'd say "it's complicated" while recognizing both the brutality and the patriotic/nationalistic impulses. And I'd certainly not make a point of feeling guilty about having someone so remote in time as an ancestor; we all no doubt have many black sheep in our distant past, along with heroes and saints, but many of us simply don't know it. And, my wife raises your Drake with her Sheriff of Nottingham. Fer sure, Men in Tights with names like "Robin" must have been shifty characters that needed to be locked up!

I would say that the Jolly Roger is nowadays rather tenuously connected with actual piracy, and at that primarily with very sloppily remembered historical piracy and not at all with present-day piracy. And, to the extent it's connected with piracy, it's with a romanticized, trivialized view that chooses rose-tinted lenses to view what might be called the idealized softer side of piracy -- the ideas of an escape to an un-regimented, free, adventurous, judgment-free, and relatively egalitarian subculture. We don't need no steenkeen badges!

Is it wrong that most people choose to try to find things to like in what were otherwise mostly despicable bandits? Is it good or bad that we can find things to laugh at in past evils? Are we celebrating or belittling evil when we cut it down to size in our memories? Does a comic-opera view of pirates support piracy or does it simply make fun of it? Is it at least sometimes good to be childish or child-like? Or, as adults, can we recognize that we've always been somewhat of two minds about pirates, even in the era of Robert Louis Stevenson, much closer to the actual events of traditional piracy?

Is there a connection between trivializing and down-sizing Pyrats Lyte and enjoying the way Mel Brooks made fun of Nazis and neo-Nazi sympathies in The Producers?

Does the situation or context make a difference? Wearing a devil costume to a Halloween party presumably wouldn't make me a devil-worshiper. But wearing an SS uniform to a synagogue might rank high as repugnant, evil, hateful, and a Very Bad Idea. Flying a pirate flag to a Caribbean-themed raftup party is not the same as flying it day and night in the marina. And flying a pirate flag off the Somali coast or through the Straits of Malacca would be yet another thing entirely... not lame, but deserving of some other description.
3 Hours Ago 03:09 PM
DRFerron
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SVAuspicious View Post
With all due respect Madame Moderator, your analogies are not appropriate. In flails over anchors, no one that I remember has suggested not to have an anchor. I don't recall anyone suggesting that in choosing between one boat or another (from the perspective one who has the misfortune to currently own three) that anyone not have a boat at all.

The discussion here is whether a pirate flag is de facto lame or not. The consensus seems to be that it is, and a few people that are predisposed to fly a pirate flag are suggesting that calling it lame is somehow unfair and in some feat of logic I cannot follow drives the categorization as lame somehow conflicts with their First Amendment rights or somehow else qualifies as political correctness.

Jolly Roger = lame.

Next?
I was referring to the passion behind the discussions and the futility of reaching a consensus.
3 Hours Ago 02:53 PM
SVAuspicious
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

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Originally Posted by DRFerron View Post
I think everyone should agree to disagree and keep the fires banked. Pirate flags, anchors, boats, we're passionate about what we like and dislike.
With all due respect Madame Moderator, your analogies are not appropriate. In flails over anchors, no one that I remember has suggested not to have an anchor. I don't recall anyone suggesting that in choosing between one boat or another (from the perspective one who has the misfortune to currently own three) that anyone not have a boat at all.

The discussion here is whether a pirate flag is de facto lame or not. The consensus seems to be that it is, and a few people that are predisposed to fly a pirate flag are suggesting that calling it lame is somehow unfair and in some feat of logic I cannot follow drives the categorization as lame somehow conflicts with their First Amendment rights or somehow else qualifies as political correctness.

Jolly Roger = lame.

Next?
3 Hours Ago 02:29 PM
randyrhines
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

Good points are made for both points of view on the Jolly, but I would err on the side of grace, no matter the flag , the cut of the jib, or the colour of the keel stripes an rudder trim. Seamanship!, the way he handles his boat etc. and manners, soon reveal if a helmsman is still learning, or a seasoned sailor, i forever fall into the first category, so that i might always be improving.Never judge a book by its cover, is good starting point for those meeting up with fellow sailor flying the jolly, should trouble find us anywhere with no landfall insight, We are all in it together.......cheers my brothers!
3 Hours Ago 02:16 PM
randyrhines
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

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Originally Posted by therapy23 View Post
Mansail,

I am going to have to report some of those images.
But isnt that his crew?
4 Hours Ago 02:12 PM
randyrhines
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maine Sail View Post
Not to be stereotypical but when I see the Jolly Roger flying, these mental images sometimes pop into my mind......


















And that is an illustrated admission of your ability to control what "pops into your head" and you took the time to upload it all..........
5 Hours Ago 12:56 PM
DRFerron
Re: Is flying a pirate flag lame?

I think everyone should agree to disagree and keep the fires banked. Pirate flags, anchors, boats, we're passionate about what we like and dislike.

tdw's buying eggnog for the room. Tell him I said so.
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