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04-03-2007 01:25 PM
sailingdog Looking forward to it.....
04-03-2007 12:53 PM
saurav16 I think you are right I will pass on this boat. I am also looking at a catalina 27 which is better because it is a decade newer. I will post some pics of the catalina and description and see what you guys on the board think.
04-03-2007 12:13 PM
sailingdog Saurav-

I would highly recommend you take a pass on this boat. You can get a boat in much better shape for only a tiny bit more money. Then you would spend your first season sailing, rather than restoring the boat. For instance, from another sailing forum:

1968 Morgan 24 For Sale, North Sails, 4hp Mariner, Battery Charge, VHF, B & G Instruments, Walker Bay Dinghy-All in decent shape.-$2500.b/o Boat is in Harpswell Maine. Mast Step, and Spring Launch included.-Ken-978-578-1783
It is less money and might be a better first boat. And it comes with more equipment and accessories than the one you're looking at.
04-03-2007 11:25 AM
Valiente Looks very tired. Really, this is a function of your money, your time and your skill. If this is all the boat you can afford, you won't have the money to fix it up, and you will never get your money back if you sell it. So get used to that right away. If you don't have the skill, you'll have to learn and make mistakes (takes time and money) or hire someone to do it (more time, more money). The good news is that almost anything on a good old fibreglass boat can be remedied and renewed. The bad news is that it is hardly ever worth it after a certain amount of decrepitude has set in. You'd be better off getting a newer boat or a boat that had been kept up more carefully. This usually means finding estate sale boats where one owner bought a small, well-found cruiser in the late '60s or early '70s, took great pride and care in its upkeep, and died, leaving it to non-sailing children for whom the boat was a hot, stuffy place that reeked of seasick and "when can we go home, Dad?"

There are many, many boats with this story coming available all the time as the 1965-85 generation of small boat buyers becomes too old to sail or have died. Those boats might sail very well and might be very comfortable for a couple, but to many modern eyes they appear cramped and primitive.

This is better for you, obviously. Try to visit a lot of boat clubs and marinas and see if "for sale" signs are tacked to their corkboards. You may easily find something a lot better than that in the "make me an offer" category.
04-03-2007 10:28 AM
saurav16 Yeah you did mention the osmosis missed it, sorry
04-03-2007 10:04 AM
Originally Posted by saurav16
Yeah I have that book its really good. The paint is flaking off in in liek 4" squarish pieces in the cabin. What does it mean that the bilge was full of water though the boat has been on land all winter? Is there a leak in the hull and the boat is taking on water from last summer?
It probably means that there is a deck leak... probably at the chainplates, and that rainwater has made its way into the boat.

I believe I did say this in my first post, if you read it carefully.
04-03-2007 09:26 AM
sailortjk1 As has already been said, If your able to make repairs yourself and like doing that type of work, than it MIGHT be a good fit for you.
Cals in general are good quality boats. But you would have to invest a lot of time and money in this one to get her back in shape.
If your looking for a boat to sail this spring, than keep looking.
04-03-2007 09:11 AM
saurav16 Well I am looking at 27' boats as well. But I was just wondering about this 30' to see what it was like since it was local. But I guess its a bad bet though
04-03-2007 09:10 AM

The early Cal models are some of my favorites, so I certainly think the 30-2 is a good boat to buy. You need to look closely at whether this particular one is worth $5K or anything at all. The cosmetics are very poor. If the engine runs and mast/rigging/sails are in satisfactory condition, it might be worth a few thousand as is. Then consider the repairs needed. Would you be able and willing to do the repairs yourself? If no, move on because the cost of yard work would quickly put you upside down financially in a boat like this. If the major components are operable, and you can do repairs, offer a few thousand and see.

If your offer is accepted, have a survey to find if the deck or cabin sole, or anything else needs repair. Have an engine mechanic survey the engine. If you feel very comfortable that you can do all necessary repairs, close the deal and start your project...otherwise walk away.

If you are careful you still run a big risk of ending up spending more than the boat will ever be worth, unless you are confortable sailing the nautical equivalent of a pigsty. Realize that new cushions, a sail or two, replacement instruments, new batteries, can quickly add up to $10K, and totally ignoring your time and sweat, it wont be hard for this boat to end up cosing as much or more than one like this, Boats and Yachts for Sale= but never be as nice. I do believe that the surest path to a boat bargain is to pay the cost of just buying one the way you want it, if you need to take a 10 year loan to do so, you still make out in the end. This board is well populated with threads started by buyers of project boats, subsequently populated with periodic stories of $$ surprises, and then stopping as the owner decides not to talk about it anymore, or quits boating.
04-03-2007 08:51 AM
Jotun Is there some reason you want THAT boat? You could find an older Catalina 25 with a lot of new equipment for the same money.
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