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4 Weeks Ago 02:23 AM
aeventyr60
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

For those with Monitor windvanes, something like this:

http://www.selfsteer.com/products/mo...udBrochure.pdf
4 Weeks Ago 08:46 AM
JonEisberg
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkofSeaLife View Post
Yeah, the sweep is a much more active, faster, better way to go... But a solo sailor will need an effective method for the long hours.

Btw its a good idea to pick up a few large U bolts to make one up.

Other good thing its theres lots of nicely shaped timber on board: each canin door, floor boards etc. but not many spinnaker poles.
Definitely... "Bolting" a makeshift rudder blade thru a thin-walled downwind pole is Designed to Fail in pretty short order, some form of lashing would be preferable... Perfect time to pull out a Band-It tool, any boat crossing an ocean should have a banding tool aboard, IMHO...




Still, I can't imagine using such an oar for any great distance in the open ocean, or for anything other than relatively flat water, on a modestly-sized boat... I think even steering my little 30-footer in a seaway using such an arrangement would be a real handful, and exhaust me VERY quickly...

One of the big problems on many boats - and one instance where twin wheels could pay off - might be the necessity to get the wheel and pedestal out of the way. You're gonna need a considerable length of pole extending into the cockpit to gain the necessary leverage, and with the steering pedestals on so many boats placed far aft, the angle of the pole necessary to clear the pedestal could easily place the end of the pole over your head... :-) On anything other than a tiller-steered boat, a complete removal of the pedestal would seem to be required, especially if you were trying to use the cockpit winches to run control lines... Nah, I think I'd favor letting the sails and drogue do the work...

You'd need to do some serious de-construction to gain the room to operate aboard this Cabo Rico, for instance:





And, using that techinque on the Shannon HPS would seem to be a very tall order, to say the least... :-)


4 Weeks Ago 08:33 AM
sailvayu
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

JonEisberg Thanks for that link about Egret. Very interesting reading and it is always better to get first hand info like that. Great bit of seamanship on their part i will add. It sounds like they did pretty good with the drogue going down wind although most of the steering was done with sails form the sounds of it. No matter if it worked for them it is all good. Sounds like they had some rudder left as well. So this illustrates that every situation is unique and there is no single "right" answer or method. What works in one situation may not work in another. For me i think the best answer would be to pre plan an emergency rudder as I personally feel this is a better option and would give more control and safety in the long run. Bottom line is whatever works use it and be prepared.
4 Weeks Ago 08:00 AM
sailvayu
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

"I'm with you sailva. I certainly wouldn't want to try to make 500-1000 miles using that technique. I'd much rather bolt my salon table to a whisker pole:"

Smack, I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or not with this. I will say that video has the same problem: it was done in flat calm. If I loose my rudder in the harbor I know how I will get back....Call sea tow. The problem is when 200 miles at sea. Although I think these videos are interesting they both ignore the effects of wave action. Ignoring that is akin to ignore the effect of the wind on a sailboat. Anyone who has been out of the harbor knows that most steering that is done is to adjust for the effect of the waves not the wind. Great discussion hope to hear some other ides and info on this.
4 Weeks Ago 07:16 AM
MarkofSeaLife
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

Quote:
Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
I'd much rather bolt my salon table to a whisker pole:
Yeah, the sweep is a much more active, faster, better way to go... But a solo sailor will need an effective method for the long hours.

Btw its a good idea to pick up a few large U bolts to make one up.

Other good thing its theres lots of nicely shaped timber on board: each canin door, floor boards etc. but not many spinnaker poles.
4 Weeks Ago 06:36 AM
SVAuspicious
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

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Originally Posted by outbound View Post
Thanks Jon. Are there any thoughts on what took out their rudder. When the boat was hauled were there any clues?
Their blog says they hit something unknown.
4 Weeks Ago 06:17 AM
outbound
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

Thanks Jon. Are there any thoughts on what took out their rudder. When the boat was hauled were there any clues?
4 Weeks Ago 12:20 AM
JonEisberg
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

Quote:
Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
I'm with you sailva. I certainly wouldn't want to try to make 500-1000 miles using that technique. I'd much rather bolt my salon table to a whisker pole:

Steering a boat without a rudder - YouTube
you'd better hope you have a big crew :-) I can't begin to imagine steering a boat over 1000 miles of open ocean using such a setup...

Let the sails do the work instead, let them PULL you to your destination. I think your whisker pole would be put to far better use poling out a headsail, to create a downwind rig... It would be a miracle if that table lasted for more than 50 NM, anyway :-)

The folks on the Sweden 390 EGRET showed how it's done, a very impressive feat of seamanship...

26: Atlantic Adventure | Egret

27: A Directional Challenge | Egret

28. A Visit from Santa | Egret

29. Christmas at Sea | Egret

30. A Welcome Landfall | Egret


4 Weeks Ago 11:55 PM
JonEisberg
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

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Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
Oh, c'mon dude. You have to admit it's kind of funny.

You've got to admit, this is kind of funny, too...

Looks like someone else has left his prep to the last minute, , as well... :-)

GALERIDER DROGUE: For Steering and Heaving To
4 Weeks Ago 10:49 PM
smackdaddy
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

I'm with you sailva. I certainly wouldn't want to try to make 500-1000 miles using that technique. I'd much rather bolt my salon table to a whisker pole:

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