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Interesting Sailboats

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Sirius 32, Sirius 35

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out). Recent designs out of production are also admissible.

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.

Small cruisers (less than 35ft)

Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;

Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft


Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;

Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)


Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;

Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)

Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;

Sailing boats over 49ft

Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;

Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats

Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;

Racers

Figaro 2:pG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;

Lifting keel/centerboarder

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;

Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;

Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;

Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;

This list is not actualized. Please use the advanced search engine of the thread with the name of the model and builder. It works, most of the time.

(actualized till PG100) and it will be no more because that gives a lot of work (500 pages now).

Instead I am actualizing the titles and with the right title the thread search engine (not the one on the top of the page bit the one much below that says search thread) on its advanced option works quite well.

Hello,

Melrna posts on Miami Boat show and the comments of Smackdady about the interest of that thread lead me to think that perhaps I could share more information about sailboats I know and find interesting.

I am interested in boat design (interior and sailing performance) and I go each year at least to one of the main European Boat shows and that means basically Dusseldorf, Paris or Hamburg. On these shows you have the opportunity not only to visit the boats of the main and medium size builders but you have also the opportunity to visit the boats of small and sometime family shipyards.

Normally they build very good sailboats and sometimes they have been doing that for decades. The boats are hugely appreciated by their faithful customers but because they don't advertise their boats and there are very few on the used boat market, they pass unnoticed by the majority of the sail community.

The visit to these boats is a very rewarding experience because they are made with passion by true boat lovers and because when you talk to the guy that is on the boat, you are not talking with a dealer, that many times doesn't know much about boats, but with the builder, or the designer.

Even if you are not a buyer they will have real pleasure in talking with someone that really appreciates and understands their work. Those guys really believe in what they are doing and they do it the best way they can, no matter the cost. In a word, they are in love with what they are doing.
Of course, these boats have to be expensive.

This thread will be mainly about these boats, as a way of letting you know about these gems. Let's see if you are interested. I will not post much. If you want to know more you have just to participate and make questions.

The first one it will be the "Sirius". I have had the pleasure to visit several times their boats and to talk with the builders (father and son).

These boats have the best interiors you can find, or at least that I have seen. Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won't believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Owner´s cabin | 32 DS 4-berth comfort owner´s cabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Workshop | 32 DS for 2 workshop

Now that the son is in charge they have modernized the outside look of the new boats, they look fantastic not only inside but also outside. The boats sail well and they have clients as far as Japan.

Sirius-Werft Plön | Versions of decks house | You have the choice

Another interesting point is the way they develop new boats. They work with the clients to collect suggestions on the shape and design of the boats. A truly interesting affair, between passionate clients and passionate builders.

Sirius-Werft Plön | 35 DS | Philosophy

Take a good look at their interesting site and if you find the boat interesting, please let me know, I can add some information.

Sirius-Werft Plön | english | Welcome at website of Sirius-Werft Plön

Regards

Paulo
 
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#5,877 ·
Vismara yachts

i hope you have not mentioned it, but ..have some very nice boats - like this 47 fast cruiser... and it is relatively light too with only 10.25 t..although the interior looks a little sterile to me...
...
Yes, Vismara has some great yachts. We talked about the little one the 34 and I think I had posted something about the bigger ones. The big one is the 80ft, already with some years:



the other recent boats are a 50 Hybrid:



and the V47 that you posted that is a very beautiful and fast boat:



But I confess the one I like more is the little 34Ds with his inverted bow and aggressive look:









Regards

Paulo
 
#5,879 · (Edited)
Azuree 46 and Dusselforf boat show.

We have already looked here at the Azuree 46. The boat is beautiful, has great dimensions that make it not only fast as seaworthy but sometimes you get disappointed when you see the real thing. Photos can be misleading...but not on this case. The boat has a good quality interior, not top but with a similar quality of Dehler or Dufour and a great design. It fells great inside, cozy and with lots of space. We even forget that we are inside a performance cruiser. Great boat, great design.



and I have a big new about Azuree: They have also a 40 with just some few years, one that I like the program but not much the design neither the reserve stability. I am a bit picky about that in what regards a cruising boat. A pity because the boat is a sort of a Pogo 12.50 with a good interior, not so light not so fast but fast enough for me taking into account the interior comfort.

Well the big new is that they are not stupid they and have eyes and good taste. They are going to ditch the boat out and asked Humphreys (the designer of the 46 and Elan 400) to design them a brand new 40 along the same principle: Light, based on a 40class hull and with a good and comfortable interior. Given what he accomplished on the 46 I cannot wait to see the result.

If you are in the market for a brand new 40 performance cruiser and like boats based on Open boats, fast and with a comfortable interior, I would wait some months to see what is going to come out from Humphreys hands. Azuree have one of the best quality/price relation on the market and the Azuree 46 is beautiful, so....
 
#5,880 ·
250 000 at Dusseldorf boat show.

Well, I was one of them but even so 249 999 is a lot of people or should I say sailors? They have about half sail boats half motor boats but the people on the sailboat pavilions is much more than in any other sector, so I am pretty sure that the majority are sailors.

They come from all over Europe and even Russia (saw several). Meet a nice couple with an Halberg Rassy looking for something faster. They had come from England just to visit a Dufour 410. It is really impressive the quantity of foreign languages you can hear. Meet some Portuguese too:).
 
#5,884 ·
Re: 250 000 at Dusseldorf boat show.

Well, I was one of them but even so 249 999 is a lot of people or should I say sailors? They have about half sail boats half motor boats but the people on the sailboat pavilions is much more than in any other sector, so I am pretty sure that the majority are sailors.

They come from all over Europe and even Russia (saw several). Meet a nice couple with an Halberg Rassy looking for something faster. They had come from England just to visit a Dufour 410. It is really impressive the quantity of foreign languages you can hear. Meet some Portuguese too:).
I only met people discussing why a First 35 is more expensive than an Oceanis 34 even if the Oceanis has a much better interior...
 
#5,893 ·
Aureus XV

A new movie about the Aureus. Definitively I would not mind to have one:D

This is what I am talking about regarding costs: a boat like this, with outstanding sailing performance that can be sailed at the touch of the fingers of a solo sailor, as to cost a lot more than a boat with a similarly luxurious interior but with only a decent sailing performance like an Halberg Rassy or a Najad. In boats, like in cars or even audio, top performance is really expensive.

 
#5,899 ·
Dufour

By the way, I didn't know that in 2013 Dufour Yachts was reorganised through Management buy out of the company from the Bavaria Yacht Group.

On the official detailed PDF brochure of Dufour 410 GL they write that the hull is hand laid polyester fibreglass. maybe they can upgrade everything but that will add a lot of cost and may be the boat will not compete that much with other more expensive brands.

Rumen
Yes they were bought by Bavaria 4 years ago as well as Grand Soleil. But contrary to Hanse with Dehler the results were not good and both company are out of Bavaria now. Grand Soleil is connected with the group that makes Sly yachts and Dufour is independent again.

Regarding upgrading yachts it is the new trend now on the middle price mass market boats. Brands like Dehler, Dufour or Salona can purpose you basic relatively inexpensive boats or boats hugely improved (including hull, keel and mast materials) for a much more expensive amount of money. that's a great deal because using the molds and some of the parts for both boats they can save a lot an purpose a basic boat or a produce a very top boat by much less than it would cost a brand new one.

Regards

Paulo
 
#5,902 ·
The last videos from Capado Circumnavigation:

Thanks Robelz:)

And their circumnavigation finished at the end of September. They returned to Marseille. The last videos, one in Azores where they even sailed alongside a local regatta and the way back to Europe, another two with them arriving at Marseille.

The boat, a small FOX 10.20 rake the circumnavigation with easiness (they even tool a friend from the States - 3 in the boat). They found out that the lifting keel was of no great use after all and were very satisfied with the boat performance and comfort.

They don't have the money to keep the boat so, as it was planned from the begging, they are going to sell it. It will be an interesting affair for someone that wants a boat prepared for extensive travelling (depending on the price).







Retour Marseille - 21 sept 2013 from Adrien de Belloy on Vimeo.
 
#5,907 ·
Re: The last videos from Capado Circumnavigation:

Thanks Robelz:)

And their circumnavigation finished at the end of September. They returned to Marseille. The last videos, one in Azores where they even sailed alongside a local regatta and the way back to Europe, another two with them arriving at Marseille.

The boat, a small FOX 10.20 rake the circumnavigation with easiness (they even tool a friend from the States - 3 in the boat). They found out that the lifting keel was of no great use after all and were very satisfied with the boat performance and comfort.

They don't have the money to keep the boat so, as it was planned from the begging, they are going to sell it. It will be an interesting affair for someone that wants a boat prepared for extensive travelling (depending on the price).
well - it is at 131032 pounds stirling...
i have no idea why such an awkward price - it is in euro also no round figure... probably in franc... :laugher
Capado FoX 10.20
 
#5,903 ·
Great sailors are cool

I remember some years ago when Cammas on an upturned trimaran at the middle of the night (in a storm) waited for 9.00AM in France to inform the rescue services, because he did not want to disturb their rest time and now it is Lionel Lemonchois, on a capsized trimaran since Monday that will wait 5 days for the towing team: no problem he says: "I have food and water and my hand is not so badly hurt as I thought." All is well at the middle of the Atlantic on a capsized trimaran. I love those guys:)
 
#5,904 ·
Trimaran Banque Populaire VII: Visite 3D

An interesting visit to the ARMEL LE CLÉAC´H boat, the giantt trimaran Banque Populaire VII.

Maxi Trimaran Solo Banque Populaire VII

This boat has a water ballast tank on the back of the boat to better its behavior running downwind with big waves.

Sailing it solo Armel is going to beat the Record of the "la Route des Decouverts". He was 750NM of advance over the actual holder, Joyon. Meantime, as I had posted, he had beaten twice the absolute solo sailor 24 hours record.

We could think this is the top of the crop in what regards maxi racing Oceanic trimarans....well, some think the Price de Bretagne is faster...but he is upside down in the middle of the Atlantic, I would say that it is Spinddrift 2, if well sailed.

Now prepare yourself to be confused: Spindrift 2 is the renamed Banque Populaire V, the boat that with Peyron and his crew is the holder of the absolute circumnavigation record, while Banque Populaire VII, Armel's boat is an older, smaller and slower one, the ex- Grupama, the one that was the previous holder of the circumnavigation record with Cammas (and crew) and the one used by Cammas to win solo the last Route du Rhum.

Contrary to what would be expected the Banque Popular V is a more modern boat that Banque Popular VII. To easily distinguish both on photos (since they are painted the same way), Banque Populaire V is the one with the inverted bows while the VII still has traditional bows.

Here you can see both boats on their original colors: The Groupama and the Banque Populaire V. Look at the size of the man between the two boats...they are huge;)

 
#5,910 ·
Capado: Fox 10.20



That's the asking price. You can say that he has made a circumnavigation but on the other end is a boat with less than three years. They have a lot of equipment on the boat from solar panels to an hidrogenerator and I don't know if a watermaker, but yes I believe they will not sell for that price. They have plenty of sails but not a furler. They are good sailors and like to use sails on a tuff luff but that for a solo sailor would not work. I believe they will sale for a lot less.

Regards

Paulo
 
#5,911 ·
paulo - i think you know that all the additional equipment is worth naught to the want-to-be buyer... it is the value of the boat which counts and not what the former owner has installed, because you as a buyer is still going to throw out lots of stuff and bring new installations and what not on board...

btw: interesting how fox is building their hulls... scroll down: FoX Tech - FoX 10.20 - Gallery
i think i haven't seen before that one starts with a jig for the deck, lays out the whole deck structure and builds the hull on top of it... ;)
why is the cockpit in glass-foam panels and not also from plywood?
 
#5,913 · (Edited)
Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 349

Prepare yourself for a rant::D. Not that the 349 is a bad boat but precisely because it could be an exceptionally good cruiser and it is not, spoiled by some details that will have great influence on the way the boat functions and that includes cruising, not only performance cruising. That is nothing that pisses me more than a great boat spoiled by details:mad:

First the good things: Great Marc Lombard hull, great stability not only given by a moderated chined beamy hull (3.44m) but also very a good B/D ratio (30%) for this type of boat, considering keel and draft (1.98). Good weight too (5350kg). Possibility of a big square top mainsail.











Great interior by Jeanneau design, better in quality (design) than the one on the 379. Fantastic the separated shower of good dimensions on a 34ft boat and very good the holding tank capacity (80L) as well as the galley and the freezer dimensions. God storage on the interior. Very nice and comfortable.











On the cockpit, nice bathing platform, nice space for the wheels man, nice access to the main winch, nice place for the plotter, nice storage for the liferaft and fenders on the back of the boat.





So many nice things BUT look at this:



Yes, very nice ventilation and illumination for the aft cabin...the problem is that on the other side of the cockpit they have another hatch with the same size to access the main boat storage space. They are kidding me? This would be alright in a racing boat. It has advantages in what regards to keep the boat watertight in extreme conditions (and inversion) and it is a common solution on racing boats but on a cruising boat?

Yes they also have a small access through the shower but all the concept is plain ridiculous on this type of boat. You will not have a decent access to the big and deep looker and would have to go to the shower, pass a very small opening to manage to take out stuff from there to the cockpit. If they wanted this kind of solution, that has advantages, they would have to consider a rectangular bigger opening hatch. As now they don't have the space for it, the only solution would be to enlarge that acess trough a traditional cockpit locker. It would give some more acess space but they would have to provide illumination and ventilation in the traditional manner.

and this?





Can someone explain to me the advantage of that small narrow space on the frontal part of the forward cabin???? It is ugly, serves no purpose and turned the anchor locker in a very small shallow one that will be even smaller when a winch is istalled:rolleyes:

The standard version has not a geenaker pole but they have one option for one, this one:



It is nice but can't they see that the anchor roller is on a bad position and that the anchor is sideways making pressure against the fiberglass structure of the pole and is going to destroy it? The right way to have an anchor on that kind of pole is to have the bow roller and anchor stand integrated on the structure, otherwise it will be needed a very oddly designed bow roller, very sideways, not very effective and very ugly.

and this?





Yes that's right, the boat does not have a genoa traveler, it has one of those 3D systems that are used on race boats...except that here they are not 3D because you have no way to regulate it and what it seems a coll thing coming from racing is just a way to save money on a traveler. On this boat you have very little control on the shape of the forward sail, specially when reefed or if you decide to use a bigger genoa. Cheap!!!

and this?





On such a small boat a so monstrous cockpit table severely limits the space on the cockpit and thos one that is not removable. If they wanted a fixed one at least it should be one that folds completely, leaving a single hand grab at the middle. This one even folded is fat and wide...and for what? for having some storage space in the middle:rolleyes:

and this ?



Okay, I understand the need of having a basic boat to sell cheaply but I don't understand why it is done in a way that prevents upgrading the boat. Yes, having only one winch for the main and the geenaker or the frontal sail is a nice way to save money but why to have a boat with an option of a big square mainsail (a sports option) and not allowing the possibility of having separated winches for the mainsail and geenaker (or frontal sail)?

In fact the way the boat is rigged (in a very definitive way) prevents the addition of a second winch on the cockpit...and it would be easy, it would only be needed the elimination of that useless triangle on the cockpit seat and to enlarge with that space the bench and put there a second winch, or even easier, to have a version with a removable cockpit table, or one that folds in the cockpit and allow a sportier version with the mainsheet coming to a traveler on the cockpit trough a purchase system. The mainsail with a square top is not meant to turn the boat on a more sportier one? Than what is the point with so many limitations in what regards sail control?

I am quite sure that the hull potential of this boat deserved a more sportive version and that is prevented by many limitations on the way the boat is designed (cockpit) and rigged. It does not make sense to me.

The tendency today (a logical one) is to have a good fast basic hull that allows for a boat that can be modified in many versions, from an inexpensive basic cruiser to a performance cruiser or even a cruiser racer. Salona and Dehler are very good examples of that trend that allows for a boat to suit many, with gains on the costs. The Jeanneau 349 is regretfully a very bad example, and the sad thing is that the hull has the potential to create a truly polivalent boat with several versions to different types of sailors.

http://yachthub.com/ad_img/1/3/8/3/0/8/Jeanneau-SO349-inventory-2014.pdf
 
#5,917 · (Edited by Moderator)
Re: Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 349

Can someone explain to me the advantage of that small narrow space on the frontal part of the forward cabin???? It is ugly, serves no purpose and turned the anchor locker in a very small shallow one that will be even smaller when a winch is istalled:rolleyes:
Maybe be the narrow recess in the forepeak (that has compromised the anchor locker) is designed for some long tall guy/girl to stretch his/her foot (maybe both feet) and to get them locked.

Regards
Rumen
 
#5,916 ·
Wow...just noticed that there are 17 clutches in the cockpit, but the deck organizer are only three on each side. Figuring then six from the mast, two for jib sheets, one for furling line and maybe two for double main sheeting, any idea what the other 6 clutches would be for?
 
#5,921 · (Edited)
Hh 42



Thanks EricK!

Let's have a look at an interesting new racer by Hakes Marine the HH42, a NZ boat designed by Judel and VrolijK.





It seems she can go fast;)



But a bit wet isn't it ?:D I guess that a more pronounced chine on the bow, a bit like the 40class racers have, would give them a much more comfortable ride but maybe not faster. Well if you want to go really fast you will get wet, that's for sure but these guys seem to be exaggerating:)

For the guys that race in fast boats: They should not be all on the back of the boat, starboard side, to raise the bow?
 
#5,919 · (Edited)
ORC world championship 2014

The world championship is alternately on the Baltic and on the Med. Last year it was in Italy, Ancona, next year it will be in Germany in Kiel.Entries opened 2 months ago and they have already over 125 entrants for a competition that it will take place more than 6 months from now.

Almost for sure the number of entries it will be the biggest ever and they have already boats from 13 nationalities including title winners and vice champions of 2012 and 2013.

It sounds good for ORC that is on the rise. Lots of interesting boats among them the Neo 400.

Let's take the opportunity to have a look at last year's world Championship that took place in Ancona on the choppy med waters and remember the Podium and the champions:

Class A:

1St:TP52 Hurakan - Marco Serafini
2nd:TP52 Aniene - Rinaldi - Martin
3rd:TP52 Enfant Terrible - Alberto Rossi

Class B:

1St: NM 38 Scugnizza - Vincenzo De Blasio
2nd: Comet 38S Uka Uka Racing -Uka Uka Racing
3rd: First 35 South Kensington - Alessandro Consiglio





and Kiel the city where the 2014 world Championship will be held:

http://vimeo.com/56909260#at=0
 
#5,920 ·
Vor: more entries

A Turkish one, or should I say American:rolleyes:

That's a Turkish boat:



but it will be sailed by the All Americans Ocean racing team.

All American Ocean Racing | Get To Know Us

They are young, talented and inexperienced on the VOR or circumnavigation races. Nice for them to have a chance.

Another new team is the Dutch Team Brunel:



The skipper will be the Veteran Bouwe Bekking. It will be his 7th VOR and second as skipper and this will be a all Dutch team....and they are looking for sailors, so if you are a Dutch and a good sailor...:D

"Meet Brunel skipper Bouwe Bekking and his crew members. Are you a professional sailor? Find out how to join the crew here!"


https://www.facebook.com/bouwebekking

It seems to me that this time the "Girls" will have a more than fair chance to win the next VOR: They seem to me one of the more professional teams and one with sailors with the best qualifications, not to mention hard training with the boat.
 
#5,923 · (Edited)
Record attempts:



That ice story is a an excuse. In fact he got caught in the Doldrums and was already a 1000 NM behind Joyon's time.

From the three that went for records only Armel has succeed (Lionel Lemonchois capsized) and what a success: 2 times the 24 hours solo record beaten and the Atlantic crossing in the incredible time of 6 jours 23 heures 42 minutes at the amazing average speed of 23.2K. To give you an idea of this fantastic performance, the anterior record (2013) was from Joyon and was beaten by 1 day and almost 17 hours:eek:. The deference of average speed is huge: 18.7K to 23.2K.

That was faster than the best time with a full crew 7 years ago.

It seems that Armel Le Cleach has successfully made its transition from monohulls to multihulls:D

 
#5,924 · (Edited)
Sydney GTS 43

I saw the boat in Dusseldorf and I was really impressed. The boat really looks good, very well built and with a surprisingly good interior for this type of cruiser-racer that is more used for racing than for cruising. Better than a Pogo 12.50 for instance: it even has doors:D

The only thing the really points for a racer are the suspended bunks that are easily removable and can be substituted by a shelf for books that enters the same supports.

For the type of boat with top performance the price has to be high but I was expecting more. The basic price is 319 000 euros.

I thought that this was the first Sydney GTS43 made by Salona but it turned out that they have already made and sold 10 boats and that is very good for this kind of extreme performance cruiser. I expressed my surprise to Nenad (the sales manager from Salona) and said that probably they are starting to win and they are going to have a lot more commands. Nenad replied : "that's what I am afraid off. These boats are very difficult to build":D

Just to give you an idea of the performances of this boat it is enough to say that from 45º to 120º true wind and with 4K to 8K wind the boat is always faster then the wind. With 4K wind between 60º and 120º the boat is always over 5K, doing almost 6K at 100º. At that angle with 5K wind the boat makes 7K:eek:

With 16K wind goes at more than 13K, with 20K wind over 16K and with 30K wind over 20K.

These are performances of a racer. What really impresses is that this boat can be used as a performance cruiser or a cruiser racer, certainly one of the faster.

I will not talk about the boat dimensions since I had already posted about that, just some photos and a movie... (Beautiful boat):):



























I asked about the 37 and no, they had not yet made any boat but I learn that the demand of information about the 37 had been big on the boat show and that means that we will see one soon. The 37 will cost about 260 000 euros (base price) and for the ones that will dream in cruising one of these fast boats it will be a better option, since the 43 is too much boat to be handled by a solo sailor. Contrary to the Pogo 12.50 it is not a forgiven boat, designed to be solo sailed and will demand a crew to be sailed near its potential, specially downwind.
 
#5,925 ·
Hmmm, the salesperson that showed me the Sydney told me that there were only very few requests for the 37... He also said that compared to an Australian Sydney the build quality at Salona is a lot better.

One of the floor-boards was so flexible that they had to prop it up...
 
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