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12-01-2012 07:35 PM
Rnsensei
Re: Cruising Boats

I am looking for a new rudder for my Beneteau Idyle 13.5. I know I can use Foss foam products, but I was hoping that oem parts existed somewhere.
04-03-2002 06:51 PM
Jeff_H
Cruising Boats

Actually the 35 foot Dehler Optima is a really nice boat that would be pretty close to ideal for what he is looking for. The fractional rig is great for single handing. I''m not sure whether I remembered to mention the Dehler or not but I was late for work by the time I finished so I may have forgotten the Optima.

Jeff
04-03-2002 05:22 PM
obiec
Cruising Boats

Hay I have a 33 foot Islander, That has ben extinsivly remodeld for off shore. It is hevily riged, and very well set up. But no aft cabin. The only thing wrong with it is some one had painted it. Anfd now it needs to be sanded down and re painted or gell coated. Just 23,000 and it is definatly not junk. I saw a lot of junk wile I was looking. I was just oferd a raly good deal on a 38 Ingrid. and I wont her.
04-03-2002 04:58 PM
aasault
Cruising Boats

Actually, 9 out of 10 is more realistic. She probably has less storage space than some of the boats Jeff_H mentioned.

Art
04-03-2002 04:48 PM
aasault
Cruising Boats

KPBaker,

My Dehler 35'' Optima, "DOUBLE EAGLE" is for sale in San Diego. She meets all ten of your requirements. Check her out on yachtworld.

Art
04-03-2002 05:51 AM
KPBaker
Cruising Boats

Thanks for all the input in regard to my search for a larger boat to meet my needs. Jeff...I''ve never been aboard an Elite 37 but saw one for sale on a website and the boat appeared to match the criteria I had set.The information you''ve provided to me is very important.I''m not a rich man by any means and must do this right the first time. I''ve only owned two boats in my life (actually the bank still owns the second one with me) : ^ ) and more than likely my next boat purchase will be my last one.I have sailed on a few of the boats you''ve listed, while others I''ve only seen pictures of.I''m trying to finalize my list to 5 potential canidates and then spend the time in the yards to find the right one.Valdare...I appreciate the input on the Morgan 384 as well.I think the Morgan 382 or 384 will be in my final 5 list.I believe it was the magazine "Sailing" that provided a vey positive in-depth article about the Morgan 38 footers.While it''s slower than some of the other boats listed it might be a trade off that I can live with.Also the price of the used Morgans is more in line with what I can afford.The teak exterior trim is also another item I will have to weigh out. I love the "look" of a traditional boat. Both boats I''ve had to this point have been traditional designs (Brass portals,deck fittings,and lots of teak)When maintained, to me there isn''t a more attractive boat. However, the boat I choose will be a "retirement boat" and I''m getting lazier each year.Of course, I could "just let it go" unmaintained, but that''s not me either. I will wrestle with this decision. JohnDrake...You raised some very ligitimate points. You mentioned a Beneteau 38.I sailed aboard one last summer and was very impressed.One potential problem for purchase of one of these boats will be finding one in good shape for the price range I have to work with. It seems most of the boats I''ve seen for sell have been in the charter boat fleets and have really been worked hard. I agree with your assesment of the berth size, but again it might be a trade off I can accept since the boat does meet all the other criteria I''ve set. The aft cabin is pretty important to me.More than likely,my daughter and I will be living aboard the boat for a few years and she always fusses about me leaving "my stuff" lying around. You know how women are? With an enclosed aft cabin, I can at least close the door and keep her off my case for awhile. Lastly, to all...you guys have given me much information to enter into my equation that will help me obtain the correct solution. The wealth of information supplied from contributors of this board is astounding!As I progress along in my search, I''m sure I will have additional questions.Thanks!
04-02-2002 11:44 AM
JohnDrake
Cruising Boats

Hello

I think you may want to give some consideration as to just how important the aft cabin is to you. I think it will be very difficult to find a boat that fits your criteria, with an aft cabin, in good shape at your price point.

Jeff has put together a very nice list but most of those boats do not have an aft cabin and others are hard to find. Many other people also consider the draft of some boats on the list to be a significant limitation. Jeff''s list does concentrate on performance vs offshore capability as asked for in the request above. The Beneteau Frist 38 (not a Moorings) does seem to fit most of your criteria and is well thought of... however, I personally found the berths to be quite small (and I am not a big guy) in the 3 cabin model. Also, I am not sure you can find a First, in good shape, at that price.

Jeff DID list the Morgan 382. I think this boat is a very good offshore design ... for the money. But, it is significantly slower than the stated goal above, has quite a bit of exterior teak and again does not have an aft cabin. I was thinking about this boat in my initial search but in the end found the quality of the joinery below to be not at all to my liking (I did not look at a 384 in good condition... and those are above 60k at any rate).

I think you should also consider boat construction and investigate the issue of cored vs uncored hulls. C&C''s are cored hulls and while they are very good boats, many that I have seen going for a good price have been ''rode hard and put away wet''. The C&C Landfall 38 has been talked up a bit in other places which prompted me to look at one. Jeff''s prediction at the time was correct, it was of much lesser quality than other boats in the C&C line. I did not consider a reasonable offshore boat.

Coming to a firm decision regarding the aft cabin and hull construction alone should focus your search significantly. If you can live without a private aft cabin, there will be many good offshore boats to select from, in your price range. If you truly wish to have a real aft cabin and are willing to sacrifice speed for it, that will point you in a different direction (again, in this price range).

If you are set in your requirements but become more realistic in price, then that opens up yet another set of boats.

You can do different searches (age range, price etc)on Yachtworld.com and see how that affects your choices. It is an interesting exercise.

Hope this helps.
04-02-2002 10:46 AM
Valdare
Cruising Boats

Jeff,

I will add one more to your list A Morgan 38 or 34 (which actually about 36). There is a Morgan board on sailnet that will allow you to get some good advise. And the 38s have a sight of their own morgan38.org . We also have a link on the sight that shows many of the owners and their boats so you''ll get an idea of what they are and the differences in them. The history is also on the site.
I have a 1983 Morgan 384 and is a great boat, only problem to your list is teak. We have alot, but boy does she look nice. The older 38''s and the 34 does not have as much.
They sail well, have tons of storage, blue water capable and.....

Good Luck,
John_/)_/)_/)
04-02-2002 10:45 AM
Jeff_H
Cruising Boats

I am a little familiar with the Elite 37 but really know the smaller Elites much better. I am not impressed with thier build quality or their sailing ability. I was especially disappointed with thier deck layout and hardware.

I don''t know if this applies to Elites larger boats but I found the smaller Elite tender, hard to balance out and really not very good in either lighter breezes or in stiffer winds. I think that one reason that light weight boats have such a poor reputation amoungst cruisers is that light weight boats are much harder to design so that they sail really well. In my opinion a boat like the smaller Elites that I have sailed are examples of what happens when you design a light weight boat and don''t quite get it right.

Perhaps there is someone here with more experience on the bigger Elites that might have more useful info for you.

Regards
Jeff
04-02-2002 07:01 AM
KPBaker
Cruising Boats

Hey Jeff_H

Thanks a lot for your input on the boats.Several you listed were also on my list.I copied your notes and have added them to my folder.I saw a C&C 37 recently on a web site that at first looked like it was exactly what I''m looking for, but the specs.listed the draft as 6''7"? I''m e-mailing the owner to verify.One more question....are you familiar with the Elite 37, and if so,what is your opinion of the boat?
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