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02-12-2014 10:17 PM
Total Chaos
Re: Sailing "big boats"

Doug,
We strongly considered a CT56 and a CT65/Scorpio 72 before we bought our I65. Bob has such beautiful designs.

As for us we are not ready to give any creature comforts up yet, and size is just to important for our crowd as of yet. If it was just the wife and I, I'm sure we could make do with considerably smaller. I seriously doubt I could convince my boss to ever give up this home though.

Electrical is soooo fun... lol We have a 50amp and two 30amp and both 50htz and 60htz complete systems.
02-12-2014 05:11 PM
JonEisberg
Re: Sailing "big boats"

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Originally Posted by DougSabbag View Post
OK, except many pedestals only have (1) 30 amp outlet. Then what do you do?
Well, if I needed to run both 30 amp lines, I'd just pull out one of these...



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Originally Posted by DougSabbag View Post
And I would rather deal with 1 shore power cord than 2. Even if the 1 is somewhat larger. Big deal. I can handle it.

Oh, and I have a 50 foot 220 / 50 amp cord, plus an old one too.... so, I can reach a long way for power, but only have to do it once.

Rock on.
I'm glad you're happy with your preference for a larger boat, all I'm saying is that it is not one shared by everyone...

However, I'll freely admit, it sounds like I'd far happier with your boat, than you would be with a little tub like mine :-)
02-12-2014 12:42 PM
DougSabbag
Re: Sailing "big boats"

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Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
Well, the same thing can be accomplished with 2 30 amp cords, of course. One line dedicated to heat/AC, the other to the rest of the ship's service. That would be my choice, saves one the trouble of wrestling with a 50 amp cord, when a single 30 will do...

Twin 30 amp lines is a much more flexible setup, in my opinion... Plus, one can use both to double the length of one's shore cord if necessary, should one ever venture beyond marinas with power outlets within easy reach, and "the American middle class way of life" ... :-)


OK, except many pedestals only have (1) 30 amp outlet. Then what do you do?
And I would rather deal with 1 shore power cord than 2. Even if the 1 is somewhat larger. Big deal. I can handle it.

Oh, and I have a 50 foot 220 / 50 amp cord, plus an old one too.... so, I can reach a long way for power, but only have to do it once.

Rock on.
02-12-2014 12:06 PM
Shockwave
Re: Sailing "big boats"

You're not the only one, we make sail shy to the main for dousing kites or rolling the jib. I'll typically hand roll a few feet of the jib (1,100 sq ft) to avoid pulling a Paris. And, if you only use one or two wraps an lightly pull when the winch is spinning you'll know immediately if anything is hung. I would never wrap 6 parts around a winch, stick it in a feeder and stomp the button. Bad things can and will happen. It's not about strength, it's about being smart with the available power.

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Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
Well, perhaps it's just me...:-)

In any amount of fresh breeze, a always try to bear off when reefing or furling, and maybe try to get the headsail in the shadow of the main, if possible... I generally find heading down, instead of heading up, to be far easier, and kinder to the sail... Again, with with a good furler, fair leads and a ratchet turning block, I should have no trouble on a 40 footer in moderate conditions...

One other "cutoff point" I forgot to mention, for me... I would never, ever want to own a sailboat that required a 50 amp shorepower cord... After as many years as I have running motor yachts and sportfishermen, I am SO done with those freakin' things... :-)
02-12-2014 10:18 AM
outbound
Re: Sailing "big boats"

+1 on two 30amp. Trouble I have is can't run AC for long if off shore power without running a genset. Not much of an issue as I hate AC and engine noise. Wife gotten use to idea of running for ~1h just before sleep to get rid of humidity then turn off. Other than that no issues and when on shore power can run everything in the boat without issue.

?Doug- which washer/dryer do you have. We're plumbed for one and had a dedicated space designed into the build. I've been looking at the splendide figuring they're put in RVs and other setting so long term will be serviceable.

sorry for the highjack-hope it will be brief.
02-12-2014 05:34 AM
Minnewaska
Re: Sailing "big boats"

Two 30 amp cords here. However, not wisely split between systems by the PO. Practically, they must both be connected. However, some things will work with only one.

More ridiculous is that the stock boat gets only one 30 amp cord. Everyone commissions either a 50 amp upgrade or a second 30 amp.
02-12-2014 02:19 AM
JonEisberg
Re: Sailing "big boats"

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Originally Posted by DougSabbag View Post
And we completely LOVE the 50 amps since we live onboard. Imagine trying to heat an all electric boat in Boston during the winter without at least 50 amps!

When we had a 35 amp boat, we had to constantly balance our electric usage... gee, do we want the microwave, or the water heater, or the refrigerators / battery charger, or the washer / dryer, or the space heaters, or ......... get's quite old.

But, some people lament the use of cars instead of horses. And, some pure sailors are embarrassed to have a motor on their vessel. Some even claim a woman onboard is bad luck! Some won't rely on GPS devices. I could list the many lines in the sand which people draw for themselves, but for us, we enjoy the hot water, TVs, microwave, washer & dryer, plenty of heat, refrigerator & freezer, computers, etc., all running concurrently if we choose to. That is the American middle class way of life, and we are pleased to enjoy it.

Choose as you will.
Well, the same thing can be accomplished with 2 30 amp cords, of course. One line dedicated to heat/AC, the other to the rest of the ship's service. That would be my choice, saves one the trouble of wrestling with a 50 amp cord, when a single 30 will do...

Twin 30 amp lines is a much more flexible setup, in my opinion... Plus, one can use both to double the length of one's shore cord if necessary, should one ever venture beyond marinas with power outlets within easy reach, and "the American middle class way of life" ... :-)


02-12-2014 12:55 AM
DougSabbag
Re: Sailing "big boats"

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Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
Well, perhaps it's just me...:-)

In any amount of fresh breeze, a always try to bear off when reefing or furling, and maybe try to get the headsail in the shadow of the main, if possible... I generally find heading down, instead of heading up, to be far easier, and kinder to the sail... Again, with with a good furler, fair leads and a ratchet turning block, I should have no trouble on a 40 footer in moderate conditions...

One other "cutoff point" I forgot to mention, for me... I would never, ever want to own a sailboat that required a 50 amp shorepower cord... After as many years as I have running motor yachts and sportfishermen, I am SO done with those freakin' things... :-)
And we completely LOVE the 50 amps since we live onboard. Imagine trying to heat an all electric boat in Boston during the winter without at least 50 amps!

When we had a 35 amp boat, we had to constantly balance our electric usage... gee, do we want the microwave, or the water heater, or the refrigerators / battery charger, or the washer / dryer, or the space heaters, or ......... get's quite old.

But, some people lament the use of cars instead of horses. And, some pure sailors are embarrassed to have a motor on their vessel. Some even claim a woman onboard is bad luck! Some won't rely on GPS devices. I could list the many lines in the sand which people draw for themselves, but for us, we enjoy the hot water, TVs, microwave, washer & dryer, plenty of heat, refrigerator & freezer, computers, etc., all running concurrently if we choose to. That is the American middle class way of life, and we are pleased to enjoy it.

Choose as you will.
02-12-2014 12:02 AM
JonEisberg
Re: Sailing "big boats"

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Originally Posted by JonEisberg
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I've always thought a good 'marker' for determining boat size relative to one's personal strength, is the ability to furl a headsail by hand. I'm of the opinion that I should be able to furl the jib in 'normal' conditions without having to resort to the use of a winch... If I cannot, it means either that the furler itself is undersized, or the furling line leads are not sufficiently fair, or I've waited too long to reef, or I'm simply not strong enough to be sailing that particular boat... Having to take a furling line to a winch - particularly a powered one - can be a very risky practice, as so clearly demonstrated recently by Stanley Paris when he destroyed one of his furlers aboard KIWI SPIRIT...
I don't get that one. I never sailed on any 40ft boat (or bigger) where it was possible to reef an headsail on strong winds downwind without a help from a winch. It has nothing to do with the furler but wind wind power on the sail, the size of the sail and with the impossibility to take the wind out of it (upwind it's easy).

Regards

Paulo
Well, perhaps it's just me...:-)

In any amount of fresh breeze, a always try to bear off when reefing or furling, and maybe try to get the headsail in the shadow of the main, if possible... I generally find heading down, instead of heading up, to be far easier, and kinder to the sail... Again, with with a good furler, fair leads and a ratchet turning block, I should have no trouble on a 40 footer in moderate conditions...

One other "cutoff point" I forgot to mention, for me... I would never, ever want to own a sailboat that required a 50 amp shorepower cord... After as many years as I have running motor yachts and sportfishermen, I am SO done with those freakin' things... :-)
02-11-2014 10:05 PM
vtsailguy
Re: Sailing "big boats"

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Originally Posted by Shockwave View Post
Might want to consider rigging the reef through there grommet, around the boom and back up to the grommet. Looks like fun.
Yes, yes, I know
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