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05-21-2007 08:28 AM
Pamlicotraveler I mentioned it in another thread, but just to update this one...I ended up following SD and Bump's choices... I couldn't find the right Seagull so I bought a Tohatsu 3.5 hp. It's a 2 stroke and very manageable weight with no hoists needed. Tried it out this weekend and it did fine.



If it isn't enough I saved that heavy old Johnson 15hp and can change my mind later.

I'm keeping it simple...I have enough complications on my boat. Thanks for the advise all! (note: I still have a sentimental streak for the Seagull...that was my youth. But I'll find some other retro-toy for my mid-life crisis )
05-03-2007 09:22 PM
tdw
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Originally Posted by Pamlicotraveler
I love the Morris Minor. In fact my first car was an MGA and I still dream about it, but mainly because it turned me into a babe magnet during those awkward high school years.

1960 MGA


Back to the British Seagull topic...I don't remember them being an engineering marvel, just plain simple with an exposed flywheel and everything. But my memory is handing one back and forth to the person on the dinghy with one hand. How could the British make something so simple when their toilets have tanks and pull cords etc.

MGAs are a slightly different kettle of fish to the Minor but they were still anitiquated in their technology. That goes for the MGB as well. Not to mention those rotten Lucas electrics. No real surprise that the Japanese virtually forced the British out of the motor bike and sports car markets. (yes they've made a bit of a comeback in recent years but the big names are long gone. )

My Seagull rant was a bit tongue in cheek. They do have a reputation for simplicity and enough grunt to pull up tree stumps. Would I buy one ? Round about the same time as I buy a Morris.
05-03-2007 09:13 PM
tdw
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Originally Posted by sailingdog
Brand new... just got it... believe it is a 2007 model. However, it is a four-stroke... that may be why it doesn't have an option for an external tank, since four-strokes are considerably more fuel efficient than two-stroke engines are.
Guess that's the answer. We were looking 2-stroke.
05-03-2007 10:57 AM
kennya On ebay from time to time I see the old Cruse and Carry, $150 to $175. I have one I use on my dingy 1.5 horse and 12 lbs, I also a Sears air cooled 3 horse at 24 lbs I purchased a rebuilt one for $250.00 and use it on a 14 ft aluminum I use for fishing. Both have the
05-03-2007 10:06 AM
Tartan34C
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Originally Posted by tdw
There are many things the British do that are admirable. Making engines is not one of them.

Seagulls are in fact held in high regard by corduroy trouser wearing anoraks (with elbow patches) who actually know what is meant by sheerstrake, oakum and pitch and who even know their intended use. Brave souls who take cold baths in the winter , wear woollen underpants, swear by a gaff rig and consider everything that has happened post Disraeli to be a retrograde step with the possible exception of Margaret Thatcher.

If your concept of cutting edge technology is a 1948 Morris Minor then Seagull is your kind of motor.

I have three British Seagulls in service and one needing repair do to being dropped some distance and breaking a casting. I also have two new outboards in service one being a 2006 and the other a 2004 model year. The 2006 is a very nice four stroke and works well but any of the Seagulls will out pull both new engines. Aside from business I also use a Seagull on my own boats tender and I have been using them for over thirty years now.

The Seagull may be old technology but they are simple slow turning large propeller engines that are easy to maintain and hard to kill even after a dunking. A modern outboard is hard to restart after a dunking and because of the electronics will need some service after a bath.

They are not suitable for everyone and if you want a fast small boat as a tender they are not the best choice but if you want a strong bulletproof outboard that has a chance of pulling the mother ship when she has a problem or something that will stand the rigors of anchor handling and working in the surf then a Seagull, especially one with a storm hood on the carburetor, is the way to go.
All the best,
Robert Gainer
05-03-2007 09:16 AM
Pamlicotraveler
Quote:
Originally Posted by tdw
Seagulls are in fact held in high regard by corduroy trouser wearing anoraks (with elbow patches) who actually know what is meant by sheerstrake, oakum and pitch and who even know their intended use. Brave souls who take cold baths in the winter , wear woollen underpants, swear by a gaff rig and consider everything that has happened post Disraeli to be a retrograde step with the possible exception of Margaret Thatcher.

If your concept of cutting edge technology is a 1948 Morris Minor then Seagull is your kind of motor.
I love the Morris Minor. In fact my first car was an MGA and I still dream about it, but mainly because it turned me into a babe magnet during those awkward high school years.

1960 MGA


Back to the British Seagull topic...I don't remember them being an engineering marvel, just plain simple with an exposed flywheel and everything. But my memory is handing one back and forth to the person on the dinghy with one hand. How could the British make something so simple when their toilets have tanks and pull cords etc.
05-03-2007 01:45 AM
sailingdog
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Originally Posted by tdw
Sd,
How old is your engine ? We were looking at a small 2 stroke outboard earlier this year and I'm sure (but cannot quote you model numbers) that we looked at botha tohatsu and a mercury both of which had built in tanks but could also take an external.
Brand new... just got it... believe it is a 2007 model. However, it is a four-stroke... that may be why it doesn't have an option for an external tank, since four-strokes are considerably more fuel efficient than two-stroke engines are.
05-02-2007 11:57 PM
tdw
Quote:
Originally Posted by sailingdog
I like it, and it will run about an hour on the 1/3 gallon in the built in tank. I wish it had an option for an external tank, but it doesn't. I believe that the small Mercuries are actually made by Tohatsu at the moment.
Sd,
How old is your engine ? We were looking at a small 2 stroke outboard earlier this year and I'm sure (but cannot quote you model numbers) that we looked at botha tohatsu and a mercury both of which had built in tanks but could also take an external.
05-02-2007 11:35 PM
sailingdog
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Originally Posted by Pamlicotraveler
Good info all....Weight to horsepower seems to increase between 5&6 hp and then seems to level out.
Mercury weights (from Defender site) 2.5hp is 28lbs, 3.3hp 29lb, 5hp is 45lbs, 6hp 73lb!, 8hp 73lb, and 15hp 77 lb.

SD-What I saw said your 3.5 Tohatsu is 41lb. That's manageable...Its that jump into the 70's that hurts.
I like it, and it will run about an hour on the 1/3 gallon in the built in tank. I wish it had an option for an external tank, but it doesn't. I believe that the small Mercuries are actually made by Tohatsu at the moment.
05-02-2007 11:26 PM
tdw There are many things the British do that are admirable. Making engines is not one of them.

Seagulls are in fact held in high regard by corduroy trouser wearing anoraks (with elbow patches) who actually know what is meant by sheerstrake, oakum and pitch and who even know their intended use. Brave souls who take cold baths in the winter , wear woollen underpants, swear by a gaff rig and consider everything that has happened post Disraeli to be a retrograde step with the possible exception of Margaret Thatcher.

If your concept of cutting edge technology is a 1948 Morris Minor then Seagull is your kind of motor.

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