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02-25-2014 10:50 AM
Multihullgirl
Re: Beaufort South Carolina no longer a free anchor

We just overnighted. We were just about where in your picture, in the lower right corner, the seagrass ends as you move from lower right to upper right of the picture. We were arguably closer to Virginia Key. There is, though, an enclosed area if you were to continue along out of the photograph right and top. A little embayment at Virginia Key, apparently there used to be a bar there or something. The satellite pics show boats anchored up in there. We found the spot we were in via ActiveCaptain, and yes, we popped in there late after a sunset entry to Government Cut. Elsewhere here at SN I've put up a picture of the sunrise we saw anchored here.

This anchorage, as I'm sure y'all know, it is open from what I would think is the typical fetch in the area (southeast) so I wouldn't think anyone in their right mind would want to anchor there unless the conditions were just so. I should think that, and the lack of access, would limit anchoring as much as po-po from Fisher Island
02-25-2014 08:52 AM
Group9
Re: Beaufort South Carolina no longer a free anchor

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Just curious, how long did you linger off Fisher Island? I've had a look in there, but never stayed, but it would definitely be the most convenient if you just wanted to pop into Government Cut for the night... The downside of that location, of course, is convenient shore access...

Yours is a fine looking boat, so I would imagine the folks at Fisher Island would 'tolerate' your presence there for at least a while... that guy whose boat burned up the other day however, with dogs that were barking incessantly, well... I would imagine the powers that be at Fisher Island would soon find a way to 'encourage' him to move on... :-)


Knowing first hand, how protective Fisher Island is of it's residents, even from law enforcement (it was difficult, to say the very least, to try and investigate anyone living there), and knowing who some of the people who live there are, I would not expect them to let any boat linger long without someone approaching them to find out who they were.

One of the weird things about south Florida (and there are many weird things about south Florida ), are the quasi-police forces a lot of the smaller, super wealthy, towns, and even private subdivisions got away with running down there. Most would actively work against us and are not really police the way we traditionally think of them.
02-24-2014 10:11 PM
JonEisberg
Re: Beaufort South Carolina no longer a free anchor

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The last time we passed through, we had a north wind so we could anchor between Fisher Island and Virginia Key. One of my best Miami anchorage experiences: quiet (we were by ourselves); and a great shot of the night skyline. I have to agree, Miami's night skyline is the prettiest I've seen.
Just curious, how long did you linger off Fisher Island? I've had a look in there, but never stayed, but it would definitely be the most convenient if you just wanted to pop into Government Cut for the night... The downside of that location, of course, is convenient shore access...

Yours is a fine looking boat, so I would imagine the folks at Fisher Island would 'tolerate' your presence there for at least a while... that guy whose boat burned up the other day however, with dogs that were barking incessantly, well... I would imagine the powers that be at Fisher Island would soon find a way to 'encourage' him to move on... :-)


02-24-2014 08:32 PM
Multihullgirl
Re: Beaufort South Carolina no longer a free anchor

ha ha, I guess my point was more to say that even if there's some derelicts in your anchorage there, the Condo Commandos have far uglier things to see when they look out the window. You're luckier to be lower to the water so those high-dollar homes on the little isles there will obscure your view of the 'industrial' port things

The last time we passed through, we had a north wind so we could anchor between Fisher Island and Virginia Key. One of my best Miami anchorage experiences: quiet (we were by ourselves); and a great shot of the night skyline. I have to agree, Miami's night skyline is the prettiest I've seen.
02-24-2014 07:10 PM
JonEisberg
Re: Beaufort South Carolina no longer a free anchor

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That is almost always the case. But you should have turned around and taken a picture from behind, for that would show the ugly pile of cruise ships and rows of gantry cranes along the Causeway and Dodge Island behind you. Not really much of a view, wouldn't you say?
Actually, I posted the view in the opposite direction back in #182... It's not bad, particularly after the sun sets, and the Miami skyline lights up... :-)

I don't notice the cruise ships or container port all that much, they're somewhat obscured by the large homes of the Rich & Famous on the isles, anyway... All part of being in the midst of a large port city, no?

Unquestionably, those cruise ships are among the ugliest creations of modern mankind:





However, they're not necessarily any worse than some of the 'Sailing Vessels' that pass through that anchorage... I'll take my view of the cranes on Dodge Island without that eyesore in the foreground, thank you... :-)





Furthermore, anyone who is overly offended by the sight of cruise ships, may want to think twice before sailing off to "Paradise", themselves... For that's where all these things are headed, after all... :-)


02-24-2014 09:32 AM
Multihullgirl
Re: Beaufort South Carolina no longer a free anchor

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Sadly, we only have 'one of our own' to thank for whatever closer scrutiny or regulation is likely to come...
That is almost always the case. But you should have turned around and taken a picture from behind, for that would show the ugly pile of cruise ships and rows of gantry cranes along the Causeway and Dodge Island behind you. Not really much of a view, wouldn't you say?
02-24-2014 09:20 AM
JonEisberg
Re: Beaufort South Carolina no longer a free anchor

One can only wonder whether a 'cruising boat' burning up yesterday in the Miami Beach anchorage might renew the pressure for more 'regulation' of the popular anchorage south of the Venetian causeway...

Fire Destroys Sailboat, Kills Pet Near Monument Island « CBS Miami

This is one of my favorite anchorages in S Florida, it's a great staging spot for crossing to the Bahamas. Very convenient to a large Publix market, drug, hardware & liquor stores, Post Office, you name it. Close to Lincoln Road, and all the attractions of Miami Beach, and the setting is spectacular, as metropolitan anchorages go. Endless parade of watercraft, one's girl-watching glasses will get a good workout around here... :-)

The spot most choose to anchor is in the lee of the high-rise condos, close to shore. I generally choose to anchor much further out, near Monument Island, where I'm always by myself.





There are a few drawbacks to the more popular anchorage, the primary one being some weird tidal current swirls in that area. Boat traffic generally passes close aboard, so you can see a lot of wakes there, it's noisier, and being so close to those high rises, I always feel my cockpit might be subject to some 'prying eyes' from some balcony 18 stories up :-) My wind generator produces more amps anchored out in the open... And finally, I'd prefer to distance myself from some of the other 'cruisers' who inhabit the anchorage closer in...

I've always been surprised by some of the boats in there, given their proximity to some very high-dollar real estate... There has been one large, very unsightly rusting steel-hulled boat with no mast that has been anchored there for years, and a smattering of other boats that appear to be teetering on the verge of derelict status...

The report is that the owner of the boat that burned yesterday had "multiple boats" anchored there... Also, that his dogs "barked all the time"... Yeah, I'm familiar with the type, hence my preference for anchoring off more by myself... :-)

This incident cannot be good news for cruisers, given the uneasy truce that has been established between the city of Miami Beach and the cruising community in recent years. Miami Beach had one of the most restrictive anchoring ordinances/policies prior to the Florida Supreme Court ruling on anchoring several years ago that struck down such local laws, but an incident like this will only provide more ammunition for the local residents to 'clean up' the anchorage, and rid the area of some of their 'less desirable' neighbors...

Sadly, we only have 'one of our own' to thank for whatever closer scrutiny or regulation is likely to come...
02-22-2014 10:27 AM
Group9
Re: Beaufort South Carolina no longer a free anchor

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I suspect, though, in the instance of Beaufort, the precedent is that mooring fields are established along our waterways and have been for some time. Not just in Florida but in the New England/Northeast. Are there examples to the contrary, that is to say, removal of mooring fields?
I don't know. But, I used to be amazed how any cases of first impression we used to get. You would think in a couple of hundred years that everything would have come up at least once, but people always find new things to disagree about.

I used to say the funniest thing was the fact that we had 82 counties, with each one putting their own interpretation to every statute, and one hundred per cent sure the other 81 had it wrong.
02-21-2014 04:23 PM
Multihullgirl
Re: Beaufort South Carolina no longer a free anchor

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And, then they would go and do it anyway, and then come to us wanting us to represent them when they were sued for doing what we told them they couldn't do.
I suspect, though, in the instance of Beaufort, the precedent is that mooring fields are established along our waterways and have been for some time. Not just in Florida but in the New England/Northeast. Are there examples to the contrary, that is to say, removal of mooring fields?
02-21-2014 01:34 PM
Group9
Re: Beaufort South Carolina no longer a free anchor

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Thanks Group9. I now see where the laws differ.

In our instance (mooring fields) it would take a pretty good lawyer to argue that navigation is impeded as in the example of the OS/BLX bridge. That is to say, in a historic anchorage whereat navigation was really already impeded, yes? And of course Trinity could afford good lawyers. I've not yet seen anything come out of the Trinity yard which challenges anything near that bridge height only a couple of gin palaces, ha ha

It appears, ltgoshen, that Group9 has offered your answer. Got lawyer?
My recollection is that at the time, they had some orders for some boats that were going to be taller than 75 feet. Trinity was also in the process of moving their New Orleans operations to Gulfport. But, the big thing, that I remember, was that the Coast Guard joined the lawsuit and agreed the bridge height affected navigable waters.

I used to work for the state attorney general and it was always amusing when government officials would write for an opinion on whether they could do "A" and we would tell them they couldn't. And, then they would go and do it anyway, and then come to us wanting us to represent them when they were sued for doing what we told them they couldn't do.

Amazing, but it happened a lot.
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