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08-29-2014 03:01 PM
zAr
Re: CS36T - Deep vs Shoal Keel Questions From Potential Buyer

I also have the shoal draft (4'92) and have recently sailed her in fairly steep 5-7 meter waves. This is definitely a boat where you'll feel very safe in nasty weather due to the heavy displacement but also how she handles those waves.

In fair weather I can do 5-6 knots reaching even in 7-10 knot winds, 4 knots in 5 knot winds, (although I do have a VERY lightweight 150% Genoa which helps). She doesn't start heeling beyond 5 degrees until 23 knot winds even with full main and 150% Genoa, only reaching 30 degrees heel at 30-35 knots with everything up at which at which point the helm starts getting difficult. You want to start reefing/changing sails between 25 and 30 knots. I find I rarely switch out the 150%, it's ridiculous.

She's slightly slower on runs where she prefers to keep the wind/waves on the quarter and the stern is beautifully angled for that.

Waves under 3 meters seem to be irrelevant, she just slices through them slowing only slightly at crests, it's very easy to keep up momentum - which makes jib trimming/backstay adjustment easy or unnecessary unless maybe you're racing.

Best point of sail is definitely close hauled. Sails are super easy to balance and she sails so straight even on a beam reach, even with 2 meter waves you can sit back and relax and you won't be using the autohelm/vane except on runs. Makes it easy to cook or go to the head.

Hope that helps!
02-23-2014 09:31 PM
flysci
Re: CS36T - Deep vs Shoal Keel Questions From Potential Buyer

I have the shoal draft CS36T, and boy was I glad I did traveling both the ICW and the Bahamas. I have always found she sails well to weather. Note, "shoal" here is 5 feet, not the 4 feet some other brands offer.
02-23-2014 08:06 PM
klem
Re: CS36T - Deep vs Shoal Keel Questions From Potential Buyer

Thanks for the responses guys. I think that I will look at both keel versions when the snow retreats and I can start seeing boats.

I have heard the comments on the companionway being steep, it is definitely something that I want to check. I have sailed on a few boats that had what I would consider a ladder instead of steps and it took a bit of getting used but wasn't a big deal so I am curious what the CS will feel like.
02-23-2014 11:54 AM
Faster
Re: CS36T - Deep vs Shoal Keel Questions From Potential Buyer

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Originally Posted by jimrafford View Post
... Also make sure your knees can handle the companionway stairs. They're pretty steep.
Jim
That's the one knock on these boats, IMO.. We have a very tall companionway ladder but it's not so steep, and split on the engine box.

But overall, they just holler 'sturdy'!
02-23-2014 11:39 AM
jimrafford
Re: CS36T - Deep vs Shoal Keel Questions From Potential Buyer

shoal draft. Also make sure your knees can handle the companionway stairs. Their pretty steep.
Jim
02-23-2014 10:16 AM
klem
Re: CS36T - Deep vs Shoal Keel Questions From Potential Buyer

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimrafford View Post
Our previous 36t, hull #3, was a battle wagon in heavy weather. We were in winds in buzzards bay exceeding 45 kts. I never felt the boat couldn't handle the conditions we were in. The 36t was way overbuilt and because of this is heavy for it's size. Don't pinch. It will sail higher if you crack off a little.
If you want a solid boat, the 36t is awsome. If you want to be competitive, look for a 36 merlin.
Jim, out of curiosity, was your 36t a shoal or deep draft? It is reassuring to have heard so many owners talk about how well their boat handled in less than ideal conditions.

One of the things that really appeals to us about this boat is how solid it is and the quality of construction. We are not racers and don't plan to look at the Merlin but I have heard very good reviews of them.
02-22-2014 09:55 PM
jimrafford
Re: CS36T - Deep vs Shoal Keel Questions From Potential Buyer

Our previous 36t, hull #3, was a battle wagon in heavy weather. We were in winds in buzzards bay exceeding 45 kts. I never felt the boat couldn't handle the conditions we were in. The 36t was way overbuilt and because of this is heavy for it's size. Don't pinch. It will sail higher if you crack off a little.
If you want a solid boat, the 36t is awsome. If you want to be competitive, look for a 36 merlin.
02-22-2014 08:00 PM
klem
Re: CS36T - Deep vs Shoal Keel Questions From Potential Buyer

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Originally Posted by Maine Sail View Post
We have the shoal draft and she sails beautifully. Will also out point our old Catalina 36 which had the deep fin.. Unlike some shoal draft boats she's still pretty deep for a shoal draft..

I would not get hung up over the keel just pick the best condition one you can find...
Maine, I really appreciate the response. It was actually your comments on how solid your boat feels that made me even consider the shoal draft in the first place.
02-22-2014 06:50 PM
Maine Sail
Re: CS36T - Deep vs Shoal Keel Questions From Potential Buyer

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Faster, thanks for fixing the title. I think that you hit on what I am trying to get at, will I be happy with the performance of a shoal draft model. If it means anything, we both prefer stiff boats that can carry a decent amount of sail going to weather when it gets rough. Compromises. . .
We have the shoal draft and she sails beautifully. Will also out point our old Catalina 36 which had the deep fin.. Unlike some shoal draft boats she's still pretty deep for a shoal draft..

I would not get hung up over the keel just pick the best condition one you can find...
02-22-2014 04:39 PM
klem
Re: CS36T - Deep vs Shoal Keel Questions From Potential Buyer

Faster, thanks for fixing the title. I think that you hit on what I am trying to get at, will I be happy with the performance of a shoal draft model. If it means anything, we both prefer stiff boats that can carry a decent amount of sail going to weather when it gets rough. Compromises. . .
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