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Sailing S. Pacific plan ???

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#1 ·
I have had a dream for a few years too sail the S. Pacific. Im now starting
too plan out this trip. I need advice. Im not sure if this idea will go over well
with people, but i think it makes for great group/trip. Please let me know what you think.


Plan: Get 8 people too commit too a 2 year tour. All people will work for one year. I have a small company doing non-skid. The product i have is
Speedliner. Im doing testing now too improve the look of this system.
All 8 people will relocate too said area (FL/CA) too work (one year)
Each person will be required too put into the boat fund 15000.00 = 120000.00
Im looking now at larger boats for this trip. Im thinking a WELL BUILT ferro-boat. Price around 120-150000..... I will have owner hold note and make monthly payments. Will need too search out a dock that will allow us too stay on boat. (wont be easy).... We will work full time, and do all the prep-work needed in the 1st year. Then we will pay 2 years of payments (30000) (15000 dock fee from the 1 year.) with 10000 in prepwork. will leave the group 40000-60000 for travel. Assume the boat is in VERY close too cruise ready shape.

So the way i see it, you live in a nice area for a year. save for a 2 year trip.
Then for 15000 each, you sail for two years anywhere your heart desires.
Then you come back, and do it all over again! Let me know what you think???

Also assume: No one is playing games with the money/boat ect. (fact)
Also assume: the boat is what ever, cause i dont want to see this thread become a we hate ferro-boats/ why you shouldnt buy one thread! :)

Great fourm, thanks for suggestions.
Anyone? :)
 
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#27 ·
chris_gee said:
You don't have a nice big boat.
You want 7 other people to move somewhere with you to work for you establishing a coating business, which you then abandon or maybe sell, and live with you for three years, in effect paying off a boat jointly.
Why not work hard save hard and buy a boat within your means? Perhaps you will find someone compatible to accompany you. As TDW says strange things happen.
Ok man wtf are you talking about?
have a nice day man.....
 
#28 · (Edited)
chrisn586 said:
Here is my advice based on a low budget, do it yourself, go young and now style for hard workers.
Work your tail off and save $, read everything sailing, talk to and take advice from people with experience (not just talkers), start researching boats now and keep records (you'll soon see trends, pros, & cons) after months of saving learning and watching you can act with more confidence, avoid cement and wood, think plastic (maybe steel), think safety not marketing claims and cool stuff re: gear, keep crew/party to a minimum (maybe find a girlfriend who will work hard too and share the dream), Port of Angeles/San Pedro/Willmington are cheapest slips in CA and close to So Pac (with lots of boat bussiness' and non-skid work around), sign on as crew where possible and you'll earn experience/connections/maybe $.
The Flicka is nice, well built and safe, but I think it might be too expensive and too small. Look for a bargin Westsail 32 that needs some work. It may be a little heavy/slow but it's sturdy enough to cross an ocean and not too costly.
Don't give up the dream; revise the plan, go simple and go safe.
Just my 2 cents. I don't reply often; just lurk now and then, but I had to chime in here because I'm rooting for ya. I think more than 4 people involved and it will never happen.
Chris
By the way, I've been dreaming of cruising for 15 years. I've worked my ass off and stuck with the goal and now IT IS happening. We've got our boat, it's getting dialed in, and we leave in two months.
Very funny man! NO LIE! was just looking at the westsail site that list them for sale. Great little boat! But anything worth working on is 40k.

FOR ALL YOU WHO SUGGEST I WORK AND SAVE MONEY, get a clue.....My idea was too make it possiable for a few people too go on a trip of a life time. Some of you people really make me sick. last time i waste bandwith talking down too moron's.after i say-
As for the total ******* or two that decided accuse me of trying too get people too help me start up and sell a company ect ect. I feel sorry for you.
Plain and simple,
My plan was too get owner too hold note under a travel company
Get the 6-8 people too invest in the boat
then pass out equal shares to each person
Do the trip then charter the boat.
To get back some investment.
The coating company was too give people that wanted too
come and work a way too make the 15000 in the first year for the trip.
My normal job for anyone who would like too know is a Drug addiction
counsler. SOBER 18 years. So please know what the hell your talking about
before you go and pass blame.
Dont have something positive too say, please dont type.
If i want too go buy a 30-35' boat i can go buy one. the point was to include others in the trip. 15k ech gets 6-8 people a huge nice boat, world travel, and a lifetime of memory's. people pay that for used cars.........I dont get it.
O' i guess i do, everyone that trys to plan something thats good in this day and age must be trying too rip off/cheat/hustle/scam right?
What better trip would be then 6-8 people together on a 60' sailboat traveling? Thats assuming they are a not total depressed wack job.
But its ok, i can fix that and they would be welcome too......
 
#29 ·
SO enough of that crap.

Back on subject, I do like the westsail alot! Looks too be exactly what
i could use with another. But @ 50-70000, there is alot of boats in that price
range. But i love the look, and what i read so far its a great design. Colin Archer
boats too me are the best looking boats ive ever seen. Im also a HUGE
fan of the D. Ducks. (power) and seahorse marine makes a SWEET ONE
with a motorsailer rig. But @ 600000 no can do on my pay scale.
Thanks all who had something too say about my question.
 
#30 ·
worldsail said:
Ok man wtf are you talking about?
have a nice day man.....
Okay. Read this whole thread and was about to abandon any chance of following it further until now...

1) YOU asked for advice and opinion.
2) YOU have been rude to any that offer advice contrary to your planned agenda.
3) YOU seem the type incapable to get along with 1 other person, let alone 7!

My advice is forget the 32 - 40 footer and a 'mate' or 'girlfriend' and get a 28' BCC, Cape Dory or Westsail, and... GO ALONE!

That's it. I'm done with this thread.
 
#32 · (Edited)
Worldsail-

I'd be curious as to know what you're sailing background/experience is?

It really seems that you don't have much of a clue of the problems involved in having eight people in close proximity—and any affordable sailboat is going to be close proximity—for extended periods of time.

Hot bunking is done on racing boats, but almost never on cruising boats, as it is really not practical.

If you do manage to find an owner dumb enough to help finance your scheme, trying to do it with six or more, otherwise unconnected, and complete strangers is unlikely to succeed at best. While I applaud your goal of helping other people get out there... they don't know you from Adam... and they have little reason to want to go with you.

If each of the six-to-eight people is an equal partner in this venture—are you going to form a corporation to own the boat, or draw up a tontine agreement for all involved?

Who is ultimately responsible for the ship? There can be only one captain—so how do you get six-to-eight people to agree who should be that person? Most countries hold the captain of the ship legally responsible for the actions of their crew... are you willling to be legally and financially responsible for six-to-eight relative strangers???

Most of the real horror stories that come out from cruising have little to do with pirates....and mostly to do with crew incompatibilities... What is the chance of getting six-to-eight people who can tolerate each other in close proximity for two years, that are otherwise unknown to each other... and are willing to risk paying a fairly sizeable amount of cash to do so, with little in the way of recourse should one of the others be a complete sociopath.

Also, you are literally going to be trusting these strangers with your life, if you hit any bad weather, or have an emergency on board, like getting holed by a floating piece of debris... and not all people react well in such a situation.

$15000 can go a long way to buying a bluewater capable sailboat like an Alberg 30 or Westsail 32. It is far more likely that you can find one or two people that you are compatible with long-term... than it is to find five-to-seven people.

I'd also point out that if you're mentioning being 18 years sober... it means that you are either a recovering drug addict or alcoholic... not exactly a stellar example to start with.
 
#33 ·
We all have dreams, but are they realistic dreams?
I don't know, there's some guy sailing around the globe three times with a young lady as a companion, that kinda sounds like a dream to me. Not very bright, but still a dream.

Good luck dude, persue it some more, see what kind of response you get.
Just don't be surprised when you don't get the responses that you are looking for.
Like the owner of the boat you wish to procure, or the other seven strangers you want to spend two years with, or the insurance broker, when they look at you and say, "What are you crazy?"

Thats all part of dreaming.
Maybe someday it will happen.

I mean come on, you had to expect this kind of response.

If it were that easy or realistic, it would have been done before.

I know you are set in your ways and not looking for suggestions, but if you want adventure of a life time, take a year or two off (not many people can offord to do it; thats why its called dreaming) and sign on as a crew aboard one of the tall ships that has such programs already in place.

Sail the high seas, climb the main mast, sit in the crows nest.
No wait...... thats my dream.
 
#34 ·
sailingdog said:
Worldsail-

I'd be curious as to know what you're sailing background/experience is?

It really seems that you don't have much of a clue of the problems involved in having eight people in close proximity-and any affordable sailboat is going to be close proximity-for extended periods of time.

Hot bunking is done on racing boats, but almost never on cruising boats, as it is really not practical.

If you do manage to find an owner dumb enough to help finance your scheme, trying to do it with six or more, otherwise unconnected, and complete strangers is unlikely to succeed at best. While I applaud your goal of helping other people get out there... they don't know you from Adam... and they have little reason to want to go with you.

If each of the six-to-eight people is an equal partner in this venture-are you going to form a corporation to own the boat, or draw up a tontine agreement for all involved?

Who is ultimately responsible for the ship? There can be only one captain-so how do you get six-to-eight people to agree who should be that person? Most countries hold the captain of the ship legally responsible for the actions of their crew... are you willling to be legally and financially responsible for six-to-eight relative strangers???

Most of the real horror stories that come out from cruising have little to do with pirates....and mostly to do with crew incompatibilities... What is the chance of getting six-to-eight people who can tolerate each other in close proximity for two years, that are otherwise unknown to each other... and are willing to risk paying a fairly sizeable amount of cash to do so, with little in the way of recourse should one of the others be a complete sociopath.

Also, you are literally going to be trusting these strangers with your life, if you hit any bad weather, or have an emergency on board, like getting holed by a floating piece of debris... and not all people react well in such a situation.

$15000 can go a long way to buying a bluewater capable sailboat like an Alberg 30 or Westsail 32. It is far more likely that you can find one or two people that you are compatible with long-term... than it is to find five-to-seven people.

I'd also point out that if you're mentioning being 18 years sober... it means that you are either a recovering drug addict or alcoholic... not exactly a stellar example to start with.
"I'd also point out that if you're mentioning being 18 years sober... it means that you are either a recovering drug addict or alcoholic... not exactly a stellar example to start with"

Well no **** sherlock....
You are without a doubt the biggest nit-wit on this board.
it's beyong me why people skim over what i type and assume im begin some
jerk, when i said a few times if you cant take a joke take a hike.

Some of you folks need too get off your ass and get out away from the computer a week or so..... Also for all you who said i took the advice wrong,
I didnt... I was just trying too make a conversation. And when i was joked with, i did the same thing back..... Really,,,, you men call yourselfs sailors?
I think some of you need too put on some pants, and take of the panties!
Really!

As for my plans now, A fellow worker has a frined that has a boat thats looks
Interesting. Its a S&S yankee 30' Its been refurbished, and is in great condtion. And the boat is shrunk wrapped and not used. So i can get a great price on it. So im thinking that over now. Its not a westsail, 32 But it has a good rep. in its history. Ill prob. use it a year, and sell for the westsail 32.
Really thanks all that had something worth reading too say, As for you other total scum bags who have nothing better too do but act like a jackass,
Ill give you free advice:

Go sit in a dark room, and ask yourself why i feel i need too put others down
and assume i know someone that i cant even see, or talk too? IF you can get past that (Prob. NOT) then ask how you can change too become a more friendly person. belive me life is much better treating people with repect rather
then hate. I really feel sorry for a few of you.

Take care people.
 
#36 ·
Good riddance worldsail... buh-bye... don't let the door hit you on the backside on your way out.
 
#39 ·
Freesail99 said:
This entire thread should be deleted.
Or at least run through a spell checker. Even for bleedin' SailNet this fella's spelling is appalling. (as he very nearly mispelled appalling :eek: )

Yeah I know, I'm nitpicking again. Look, everyone makes the odd speling erra but sometimes I wonder if anyone actually reads what they type before they post.

Just what the world needs, an anal retentive Wombat. :rolleyes:
 
#41 ·
tdw said:
Or at least run through a spell checker. Even for bleedin' SailNet this fella's spelling is appalling. (as he very nearly mispelled appalling :eek: )

Yeah I know, I'm nitpicking again. Look, everyone makes the odd speling erra but sometimes I wonder if anyone actually reads what they type before they post.

Just what the world needs, an anal retentive Wombat. :rolleyes:
LOL... I like having this particular anal-retentive, spelling obssessed wombat around for the comic aspects of his behaviour. (I even added a "u" to behavior for you aussies to use.)
 
#43 ·
sailingdog said:
LOL... I like having this particular anal-retentive, spelling obssessed wombat around for the comic aspects of his behaviour. (I even added a "u" to behavior for you aussies to use.)
SD
Now you do have me :confused: are you saying there is no "U":rolleyes:
 
#44 ·
Hello, my name is Giu and I haven't touched liquor in 2 weeks...

I need to buy an Aston Martin DB9, the problem is the car costs 230.000 Euros, so I have this idea, I will try and share my car with 8 people that will each provide 28.750 Euros. I will call them "paying passenger associates" or PPA's. The PPA's then can see me drive my car for a whole 2 years, and are free to look at it, clean it, guard and maintain. I will, as a genereous person, buy the smelly things so it smells good inside...

I will take each one of them, for a ride, on certain days of the week, based on a voting scheme or lottery.

On weekends, we all dress in orange dresses and go to Airport doors and help passengers carry their luggage, in exchange for tips that I will use to buy gas. (Shaving head is optional).

We can all feed by going to Wal Mart and other food chains, and feast on the "try out" trays that some food companies provide as part of their marketing campaigns. This is a source of full entire meals at zero cost. Voting best food is also optional. The money the PAA's save by achieving their food requirments, this way, will be deposited in an account that I and myself only can control, to prevent mutinies.

I will strongly recomend and encourage my "paying passenger associates" to date McDonalds store managers and thus be provided free meals after food shelf time has expired. Vitamins and protein survive longer than MacDonalds shelf time.

We encourage PPA's to become vegetarians and hang around in parks, wearing mini-skirts, and endure in the art of paid love. The profits of this activity will be used to pay for the head quarters of my Aston Martin, which will be a 2000sq feet house I will aquire in the Hamptons, with said profits.

Each PAA will be allowed to chose the colour of the Aston MArtin, but the coulor will be light metalic silver.

What do you guys think???? Please no rude answers, and I don't want to hear that the Ferrari Enzo is better...I made up my mind.

Ahh the prettiest PAA of the feminine gender will be free to perform sex with me, having the honour to not charge me.
 
#48 ·
SimonV said:
SD
Now you do have me :confused: are you saying there is no "U":rolleyes:
Shhhsh, You have to remember Simon that they don't actually realise what a **** up they have made of the Queens English. :rolleyes:

Unlike us Australians of course ! :eek:
 
#49 ·
Looking said:
Thank you. I have been waiting so long to be elevated to the rank of AFOC. I am in good company.

I hear you are a very handsome man... could you please post a picture of your self for all to admire?:)
Here's a good photo of Giu, without his makeup or his helmet on...



(Hey Alex... I owed you a few... :D)
 
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