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6 Minutes Ago 04:06 PM
hellosailor
Re: $3000/mo cruising budget

Gary, you were born after lead and tin weren't so blatant in cans anymore, and before BPA got used on them. You grew up in the Golden Age when even antibiotics worked and worked well.

However, the BPA, as an estrogen disrupter, might either be protecting you from prostate cancer (if men live long enough, the only ones who don't suffer from it are castrati's) or perhaps, it has raised your voice an octave and thrown a wrench into your vocal career. Seems to be some confusion over that.

But I have no problem baking a bread with no preservatives except a dose of salt, that will last over a week without any fuzzy stuff growing on it. The trick is, simply not to HANDLE it with your hands directly, since they are normally loaded with critters.

Of course 50 years ago the now-normal science of epigenetics hadn't been discovered, and geneticists have only recently been acknowledging that pretty much every chemical in our environment has a direct physical chance to change our genetics. And WILL change them, by simple exposure. The only question being how much of what can cause which changes.

That much they ARE all agreed on.
29 Minutes Ago 03:44 PM
travlineasy
Re: $3000/mo cruising budget

Geeze, I wonder why I'm not dead. I've been eating canned foods for the better part of 75 years, my brain still functions quite well, but like most folks my age, some body parts are not functioning as well as I would like, and yes, there are some body parts missing. Missing a couple disks in my back, gall bladder, had a double hernia repair, but by and large none of that could be related to eating canned foods.

When I was young, about the same time John Paul Jones joined the Navy, I was exposed to all the stuff that, according to the USEPA, should have killed me. Most of those guys that made those claims are all dead. Maybe they should have eaten canned foods like us old codgers.

The only element that I was exposed to that will ultimately do me in is asbestos. Pretty high exposure while I was in the US Navy aboard the USS Newport News, a heavy cruiser built in the mid 1940s. All the steam pipes were covered with asbestos and we had to remove the old stuff and put on new asbestos. No protection whatsoever back then, the late 1950s. Back then I had a better chance of dying from lead (being shot at by bad guys) than anything else I knew of. Also had a good chance of dying while diving using a Mark 5 outfit, which I wasn't very fond of. And guess what? The US Navy used a lot of canned foods, too. All the fruits for making pies and other forms of consumption came in 5 gallon tins, all of which were soldered together. Well, most of the guys I was in the Navy with are still alive today, we're in out 70s and 80s, still doing a lot of things we did back then.

Now, if it were not for modern food processing, packaging and handling, many of you would be suffering the pangs of various food poisonings. Breads and pastries would only last a couple days at most, fruits and vegetables would be filled with insect eggs, larvae and hatchlings, most meats would be rancid, finfish and shellfish would have to be consumed the same day they were caught, and no one would be able to enjoy foods from sources other than local.

I suspect I'll read some responses to the above such as "My grandfather lived on a farm, walked 10 miles through chest deep snow to the grocery store, and only at organic foods. He died at age 108, shot in the back of the head by a jealous husband while leaping from a second story window and an 18-year old gal screaming don't leave me - don't leave me." Well, (true story) my grandfather was a bootleg whiskey maker, lived on a small farm, all the crops went to making booze, and his shelves were stocked with canned goods, including canned meats. He was 97 when he died. Go figure.

Cheers,

Gary
3 Hours Ago 12:17 PM
hellsop
Re: $3000/mo cruising budget

Quote:
Originally Posted by Minnewaska View Post
Eating canned and processed foods over a long period just has to be bad for you too. Too much sodium and additives/preservatives. I hypothesize that these additives are responsible for the spike in diseases and allergies that were realatively uncommon only 100 years ago. That and household chemicals. All test safe, but no one can test the cumulative concoction that we all subject ourselves to over decades.

I say to eat freshly made foods, which don't have to be filet and lobster, as often as possible, but harder to do aboard.
Heh. 100 years ago was the PEAK of canned and processed foods. It was the only way to get veg that weren't roots all winter. Putting things in tins is a 200-year-old invention at this point, and starting about 100 years ago is when refrigeration (including chilled transport of fresh fruits and veg) and freezing of UN-processed foods started.
7 Hours Ago 08:39 AM
Minnewaska
Re: $3000/mo cruising budget

Cuba is the only place I'm aware of that requires health insurance. It's one thing about that country that makes sense. Why should local citizens pay/subsidize visitor's medical care?

Since US companies can't do business there, US insurance isn't accepted. I believe it's also one of the legal snags for a US citizen to visit Cuba, since they make you purchase travel health insurance at immigration for your stay. Technically, there is no prohibition from being in Cuba as a US citizen, you are prohibited from transacting business, even if paid by a third party.
7 Hours Ago 08:18 AM
killarney_sailor
Re: $3000/mo cruising budget

We also have never been asked about health insurance.
9 Hours Ago 06:46 AM
chuck5499
Re: $3000/mo cruising budget

[QUOTE=hellosailor;1357425]A lot depends on where you want to be. If you're not on Medicare, good medical insurance can still cost you $1000/month. Depending on your health and any pre-existing conditions, there's room for a lot of variation in that. And if you're outside the US, the whole picture changes again. Changes from year to year, too, as some countries are now requiring that you have your own insurance rather than burden them.


Hellosailor -- can you expand on this please? I guess we missed it somewhere along the line. In 7+ years visiting over 30 countries and wintering/hurricane season overing in the Carb and now the Med we have never been asked for health insurance information. If we were to go for residence maybe but not as cruisers. We do not carry health insurance except Medicare that we get as our age is a bit high. We pay for all our medical out of pocket and not that high. So please explain!
18 Hours Ago 09:29 PM
mbianka
Re: $3000/mo cruising budget

Just finished getting my taxes done. While going over my expenses for the past year I pulled out some numbers for the boat expenses. Currently, I only live on board for about half a year so these numbers include winter storage, mooring fees, groceries and some cruise expenses for the six months. Came out to $988 per month. Call it $1000. Of course I had no major maintenance issues and/or airline expenses. Plus I was a "single handed sailor". No women or pets on board! YMMV.
21 Hours Ago 06:18 PM
capt jgwinks
Re: $3000/mo cruising budget

When I finally make the move, I don't think we'll be buying airline tickets. The kids will be welcome to visit, but we ain't going back to Snowland. Especially after these last two winters.
1 Day Ago 03:44 PM
newhaul
Re: $3000/mo cruising budget

Further drift its four cups a day and protects against Alzheimer's they say and dad drinks a pot a day and at 90 is still sharp as a tack
1 Day Ago 02:36 PM
Don0190
Re: $3000/mo cruising budget

nothing like some thread drift
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