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06-09-2007 10:57 PM
Goodnewsboy Just another hat.
06-09-2007 10:23 PM
USCGRET1990 Well, then just who in the heck is Joe Boater then?
06-09-2007 09:57 PM
Goodnewsboy The services still refer to ships company as sailors and I think that is the correct term for anyone who navigates under power or sail. The old expression is that "A boater is a hat."

Apart from using a noun as a verb, calling those who mess about in boats "boaters" is a sign of nautical ignorance; the sort of thing one would expect from say, the National Association of State Boating Law Administrators!
06-08-2007 09:46 AM
jrd22 Having both a sailboat and a powerboat (does that make me BI?), I have to say I enjoy them both. However, for completely different reasons; the sailboat (34' pilothouse-6 knots @ 0-1/2gph) is used for cruising trips here in the NW and daysailing, the powerboat (28' ex-commercial crabber-18/20 knots @ 6-7gph) is transportation, supply runs, and used for crabbing and prawning. I don't understand picking a power boat as a cruiser, I would prefer a sailboat (hull) for it's inherent seaworthiness even if I couldn't sail it. We end up doing quite a bit of motoring here in the fickle summer winds and narrow channels with strong currents, but nothing compares to gliding along, silently, enjoying the scenery while mentally being challenged with doing a good job of sailing. Good sailors make it look easy to run downwind wing on wing, or tack through a narrow pass, but the rest of us sailors know it's challenging and rewarding to do it well. Sitting on the flybridge with the throttle set and the autopilot on that's tied to the chartplotter route just wouldn't give me the same feeling of accomplishment(being of Scottish descent I'd have a hard time forgetting I'm burning 15-30gph too). They are both boating, just different.
06-08-2007 04:27 AM
Idiens Hi Tomaz, good to see you back, where have you been?

Yes, that silence after the engine is switched off - magic. I took my dedicated stinkpot friends for their first sail. They noticed it too. But their comment was: "But we haven't slowed down!"

I will declare old-fart status when I an unable to crank winches and sell my sail for a canal barge stinkpot.
06-07-2007 05:34 PM
tomaz_423 Sailing = going nowhere very slowly at great expense.

I think a mile cost about the same either made under power or under sail in similar size vessel.
A powerboat does not need lots of expensive "extras": heavy keel with its drag, solar or wind generators to fill the batteries, mast and rigging, ... They can also travel faster in calm conditions, so it is good for a lot of people.

But than I think about the pure joy of turning the engine off, listening only to the wind and waves, gentle heel and smooth easy ride, ... Joy of mastering the wind, ...
Come on! Do I need to say more on sailnet? We are all hooked.

I did a lot of windsurfing, fair amount of dinghy sailing on laser, but I never ever had any desire to own a powerboat. Once I tried sailing there was no return. Will I change my mind ? Who knows. I read a lot about Steve and Linda Dashew some time ago (his designs are way above my budget) and they opened my eyes - maybe there will be time for power boat in the future - after I am too old to sail.
06-07-2007 03:15 PM
Originally Posted by tdw
You can read more if you are interested at The Ultimate Sailing & Cruising Reference.
Thanks for the reference tdw, I had not seen that one before.
I am not averse to stinkpots in the right context, a sailing boat is not much use on the canals here.
I can't find it now, but someone here gave a reference to an Ozzie couple's cruising site. They use a big converted motor cruiser and argue the plus side of cruising under power.
I think the secret is size. To cross an ocean under power needs a lot of fuel capacity, so a big boat. Whereas with sails, a much smaller craft can be used.

Found it: Passagemaker cruising under power in Southeast Asia
06-07-2007 10:01 AM
USCGRET1990 Lets put it this way, when they fill up there boat, it doesn't last for years like a sail can!
06-07-2007 07:57 AM
sailingdog Idiens—

Tonnage and average speed aren't really valid methods of comparison either. A multihull doesn't compare to a monohull in a straight off comparison. My boat can do 15 knots under sail, but only 6.5 knots under power.

Of course, the larger the boat, the more expensive the sails are going to be. And with monohulls, the fuel prices and engine sizes don't scale as quickly. Many large sailboats only have relatively small engines—50 HP is pretty large for most sailboats. These boats have 300-400 HP.

The comparison I am making is based on what each person prefers to own. It was never meant as as a straight comparison. They have planing hull, high-speed power boats for fishing... I have a 28' trimaran for cruising—totally different beasties to begin with.
06-07-2007 05:27 AM
tdw Idiens,
Do you know of Steve Dashew ? He's an American naval architect and author who has built and extensively cruised a number of very lovely yachts, renowned for their inovative designs and systems. His latest boat is power and his claim is that because of it's design it will cost no more than his old sailing boat to run. Mind you that was before the current run on oil prices which might have stuffed up his calculations just a mite.
You can read more if you are interested at The Ultimate Sailing & Cruising Reference. I would note that his last sailing boat was something like 80' feet loa so not exactly a pocket cruiser.
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