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|07-23-2009 02:46 PM|
|jgrandfield||interesting, thanks for the history.|
|07-23-2009 02:32 PM|
The Bristol 32 was an early Ted Hood Design. It was replaced by the Bristol 30 and the Bristol 33 both of which were designed by Halsey Herreshoff. Herreshoff and Bristol later made minor improvements to the 33 design and called the revised design the Bristol 34.
The Bristol 35 was an earlier John Alden and Associates design (John Alden was long gone by the time this boat was designed). which was also replaced by the 33. The Bristol 30 was replaced by the Bristol 29.9 an inferior IOR era design in my opinion.
The 35.5 was a later Ted Hood and Dieter Empacher design that replaced the Bristol 34.
|07-23-2009 02:23 PM|
|jgrandfield||Sorry, I am getting confused on the Bristols that were made 33, 34, 35, 35-5 and who design them.|
|07-23-2009 02:17 PM|
The Bristol (33) 34 has always been one of my favorite boats of that era. They were fast and well mannered for that period. Build quility was above average, and they had a little better sailplan proportion than most boats of the CCA era. They were very different boats than the 35 upon which this thread is based.
|07-23-2009 01:43 PM|
Well all very interesting, I use to own a J 35 (PHRF 75), fast and fun and also did a lot of crusing with it. Sold it about 4 years ago, and just recently bought a Bristol 34. Dosn't have as much sail area and seems to be a little tender. But could be the wayI am sailing it.
Although sometimes I wish I still had the J35, the bristol 34 is growing on me. With new sails and watching the main sail trim it is a fun boat to sail even in 5 to 10knts. Healing improves the lack of water line lenght, and the lines are nice. A good looking boat.
|07-22-2009 06:05 PM|
|Vernhobbs||I've owned my Bristol 35 for nine years and am very pleased with it. Not fast, not flashy, just a good, tough, old boat.|
|01-17-2001 11:15 AM|
There''s your answer. I wouldn''t own a C(anuck) & C(anoe) on a bet, but for "new" buyers the first purchase tends to be situational. The right place, the right deal. I don''t race my B35 and I don''t burn more than a tank or two of fuel all summer long. I cruise the gulf of Maine at about 5.5 to 6 knots under sail - slow by any measure - but just because some bohunk didn''t put the Bristol in his book doesn''t mean it''s an "obsolete coastal cruiser." Watch and learn, grasshopper. There are 50++ year old BEAUTIFUL "obsolete" designs cruising the world and turning heads everywhere. I like Bristols, don''t like C&C''s. Wasshisname likes C&C''s, don''t like Bristols. It all revolves around familiarity, comfort, taste and personal knowledge. You wanna race, look at race boats. You want offshore comfort in the same price range, look at Bristols. You want a porker, look at Irwin. I don''t know where the idea comes froom that the B35 is "totally unsuitable for coastal cruising." After almost 7 years of cruising a 1972 Alden Yawl, I''ve got no complaints, and I enjoy racing J-24''s, but you''re comparing plastic to classic. Jeesh. Maybe you''d be best off ignoring us both, buying, say the book "This Old Boat" and a couple others and figure out what YOU''re looking for. Washtay, bwana. From the sunny VI - THAT''S why I can hold on to the sense of humor and minimize the give a crap factor. Besides, I''m in the process of buying an absolute PIG of a Herreshoff 50 for liveaboard. Built in Taiwan. Gotta have a sense of humor in that instance.....
|01-17-2001 09:40 AM|
There you have it. A well written song played while some of us dance around the head of a pin.
The requirement is a boat for coastal cruising. The Bristol 35 will be so slow as to not be a lot of fun. It just does not have a tall enough mast.
Take for example my C&C 35-1 that has a solid fibreglass hull by the way and so do the Mark 11''s. My boat has enough sail area to be fun. The SA/DR is 19.2, the PHRF 129 but as a crusing boat they do well as off the wind they are better than 129 and to windward they will stay with most any boat their size except for the J boat types.
So why get a slow boat? There are about 10 reasons so of which are: 1. He didn''t know any better, the salesman said it was a good boat. 2. He is afraid of sailing and really just wants a boat that looks like a sailboat to motor around in. I have the other reasons but am saving them for later in because I don''t want you to laugh too long.
So I challange the buyer to look at some C&C 35-1''s or 35-2''s and report back to us.
In Henersons "Choice Yacht Designs" there are no Bristols! Henderson says this about the C&C3 35 Mark 1 which is a featured boat. "this would be an ideal boat to claw off a lee shore in"
The Bristol 35 is an obsolete design totally unsuitable as a first choice for coastal crusing.
Also if you want to race it there is no way short of a paid crew that you will get anyone to stay with the season. You will finish too late or after dark most evenings. The Bristol 35 is a lot better than most 25'' boats for coasting but that''s about all.
Keep looking. The C&C sites are: www.sailcandc.com and www.cnc-owners.com
|01-17-2001 06:34 AM|
You the man, Mr. Drake.
|01-17-2001 04:59 AM|
Hi, I thought I would inject some objectivity to the discussion.
I think the advantages of a Bristol 35 are that she has a solid glass hull, low price, solid reputation. If you are looking for a good sea boat (offshore coastal) at a good price, you would be hard pressed to make a better choice for long distance cruising. Also, consider that the boat is probably at a zero depreciation point. And, she is a classic with great lines.
That said, the disadvantages are: you may have to put in some $$$ to bring the boat up to your standards (depending on condition of course), it will never be as roomy or comfortable as a Catalina (newer models of which are very good coastal boats) or any other modern boat, it is not fast.
Speed: A Bristol 35 has a base PHRF (New England) of 189. By comparision, a Catalina 30 is 9 seconds per mile faster at 180 (by convention perhaps not actually), A Catalina 36 (Tall Mast) has a PHRF of 132 (MUCH faster). J/30 is 144. BUT.... a Hinkley Bermuda 40 has a PHRF of 165, a Luders 33 is 198, Pearson Triton is 255 (MUCH MUCH MUCH slower), a Pearson 35 is 174 and an Allied Sea Breeze PHRF''s at 189. Many people have no problem going long distances on the slower or equivalent boats listed above.
Speed and comfort are relative. If you have a need for speed... sink $120k into a Contender 31 ))). If you are really going to use the boat as a weekend getaway condo, you may find it small depending on what you are used to and who you bring along. But then I had a friend who lived aboard a 28 and met a couple who lived aboard a 33.
I had a good friend who lived aboard and cruised extensively in a Pearson Triton - a VERY small, VERY slow 28 footer. He was happy because he had a boat under him that could handle any weather and had a solid glass hull.
I seriously considered a Bristol 35. But since I could afford a more expensive boat, I decided that I needed a larger more comfortable cabin and a faster boat (for the Chesapeake Bay).
If I wanted a boat to go offshore cruising in on a budget, I might have choosen the Bristol or a similar 35.
Lastly, you must be looking at 1970''s vintage boats... be very careful about boats with cored hulls (like C&C). I would stick with boats that are solid glass. You might want to buy a copy of "Practical Boat Buying" from The Practical Sailor. Great advice.
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