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03-18-2014 12:10 PM
hellosailor
Re: What stops Americans cruising the world?

"if you were sailing between countries and out of territorial waters and record the fact in your log book"
Could be a bad idea, since you would have just documented leaving one country without clearing out, and entering the other without clearing in.
If you have properly cleared out and in, then of course there's no further/extra need to log what is already documented.
03-18-2014 08:36 AM
Minnewaska
Re: What stops Americans cruising the world?

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Originally Posted by Nostrodamus View Post
Some one else mentioned that if you were sailing between countries and out of territorial waters and record the fact in your log book can this be taken off the time you are allowed to stay?
I don't know
Generally, time restrictions are based on when you check in and out of customs.

I've heard of some countries that even require you prove you have a way out before the term expires, or they won't let you in.
03-18-2014 05:18 AM
Nostrodamus
Re: What stops Americans cruising the world?

Some one else mentioned that if you were sailing between countries and out of territorial waters and record the fact in your log book can this be taken off the time you are allowed to stay?
I don't know
03-13-2014 07:42 AM
capt vimes
Re: What stops Americans cruising the world?

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Originally Posted by Minnewaska View Post
I haven't researched government sites, but Noonsite says the Azores are part of Portugal and the Canaries part of Spain and both islands are subject to Shengen immigration rules.
correct - if you cross via the azores, the 90 days start ticking the time you clear in there...
but as goboatingnow pointed out - it is not that much looked after... every state just makes sure, that you do not stay longer in their country but gives a damn about shengen...
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At the least, we've establish the well known fact...... facts are hard to distinguish on this topic. Very confusing.
why should that be confusing?

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03-13-2014 07:09 AM
Minnewaska
Re: What stops Americans cruising the world?

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Originally Posted by goboatingnow View Post
The EU islands are NOT part of Schengen........
I haven't researched government sites, but Noonsite says the Azores are part of Portugal and the Canaries part of Spain and both islands are subject to Shengen immigration rules.

http://www.noonsite.com/Countries/Ca...es#Immigration

http://www.noonsite.com/Countries/Az...es#Immigration

At the least, we've establish the well known fact...... facts are hard to distinguish on this topic. Very confusing.
03-12-2014 10:03 PM
MastUndSchotbruch
Re: What stops Americans cruising the world?

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Originally Posted by capt vimes View Post
there is not so much a "European" feeling, yet - at least not so widespread that it counts really...
it comes with time hopefully, but a couple of decades ago we fought one another brutally by all means, exactly what we did all the centuries and millennias before...
and from those times comes the different legal constructions regarding states - which is now represented in visa, immigration and such... it is essentially not a "european" thing but a national, solely in those countries responsibility and is respected by the other...
pretty simple actually - don't you think?

to someone from outside, i will always say that i am an european... to someone from europe, i will always be an austrian!
Well, the current state is certainly an improvement about the "fighting each other brutally" situation
03-12-2014 10:00 PM
MastUndSchotbruch
Re: What stops Americans cruising the world?

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Originally Posted by goboatingnow View Post
You are mistaken.

" The British Overseas Territories Act 2002 also conferred British Citizenship upon BOTCs (other than those solely connected with the Sovereign Base Areas of Cyprus) which does provide for a right of abode in the United Kingdom. This conferral is in addition to their BOTC and was not reciprocal in nature, in that British Citizens did not receive any rights to reside in the Overseas Territories without permission. The act also changed the reference of British Dependent Territories to British Overseas Territories. This act was enacted 5 years after the United Kingdom relinquished sovereignty over its most populous dependent territory, Hong Kong, to the People's Republic of China.
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Wait! Why am I mistaken? The text you quote, wherever it comes from, says "does provide for a right of abode in the United Kingdom." Isn't that what I said?
03-12-2014 08:28 PM
goboatingnow
Re: What stops Americans cruising the world?

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Originally Posted by MastUndSchotbruch View Post
I am afraid you are not quite up to date:



"British Virgin Islanders are classed as British Overseas Territories citizens and since 2002 have had full British citizenship. Although the territory is not part of the European Union and not directly subject to EU law, its citizens are deemed to be citizens of the EU as well."



British Virgin Islands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Any 'belonger' of the BVI has the right to move to any country of the EU at any time and live and work there.

You are mistaken.

" The British Overseas Territories Act 2002 also conferred British Citizenship upon BOTCs (other than those solely connected with the Sovereign Base Areas of Cyprus) which does provide for a right of abode in the United Kingdom. This conferral is in addition to their BOTC and was not reciprocal in nature, in that British Citizens did not receive any rights to reside in the Overseas Territories without permission. The act also changed the reference of British Dependent Territories to British Overseas Territories. This act was enacted 5 years after the United Kingdom relinquished sovereignty over its most populous dependent territory, Hong Kong, to the People's Republic of China.
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03-12-2014 08:23 PM
goboatingnow
Re: What stops Americans cruising the world?

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Ehm, Iceland is part of Schengen but surely has no land border with any Schengen country (nor with any non-Schengen country )

Nor does Greece. And Norway, Sweden and Finland have common land borders but not with any other Schengen country.

Nothing to do with 'continuous land borders.'

What I alluded to was the primary purpose of the Schengen acquis, which was to ensure free passage across borders primarily land borders so as to give effect to a practical reality. Countries like Iceland with long affiliations with Scandinavia also joined. Ireland didn't join primarily because of its common travel area with the UK and it's land border with it. So individual countries has reasons to join or not join

Dave


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03-12-2014 06:31 PM
capt vimes
Re: What stops Americans cruising the world?

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Originally Posted by MastUndSchotbruch View Post
Yeah, that's what I mean: why do Europeans accept such rules? Don't you guys feel like you are second-class citizens in your own country?

[maybe this gets too close to politics and we should stop this discussion]
there is not so much a "European" feeling, yet - at least not so widespread that it counts really...
it comes with time hopefully, but a couple of decades ago we fought one another brutally by all means, exactly what we did all the centuries and millennias before...
and from those times comes the different legal constructions regarding states - which is now represented in visa, immigration and such... it is essentially not a "european" thing but a national, solely in those countries responsibility and is respected by the other...
pretty simple actually - don't you think?

to someone from outside, i will always say that i am an european... to someone from europe, i will always be an austrian!
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