SailNet Community - Reply to Topic

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > General Interest > General Discussion (sailing related) > Starboard and Port tacks?
 Not a Member? 


Thread: Starboard and Port tacks? Reply to Thread
Title:
  

By choosing to post the reply below you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Message:
Trackback:
Send Trackbacks to (Separate multiple URLs with spaces) :
Post Icons
You may choose an icon for your message from the following list:
 

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Click here to view the posting rules you are bound to when clicking the
'Submit Reply' button below


Additional Options
Miscellaneous Options

Click here to view the posting rules you are bound to when clicking the
'Submit Reply' button below


Topic Review (Newest First)
07-30-2012 09:58 PM
Tempest
Re: Starboard and Port tacks?

Quote:
Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
I've never come across "Running Free" in any of the rules...unless it's the synonym of "Going Commando"...then I'm always following that rule, right of way or not (oh, and let's just say the "boom" is typically to port...heh-heh).
Rambo the Commando..
07-30-2012 09:53 PM
smackdaddy
Re: Starboard and Port tacks?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tempest View Post
Haha, I resemble that remark...

I'm still trying to learn where I might find the term " Running Free" in Colregs, US sailing RRS, or the ISAF sailing rules. Can you point me a source other than Harvey Mudd ?
I've never come across "Running Free" in any of the rules...unless it's the synonym of "Going Commando"...then I'm always following that rule, right of way or not (oh, and let's just say the "boom" is typically to port...heh-heh).
07-30-2012 09:49 PM
smackdaddy
Re: Starboard and Port tacks?

You did have a nice left hook back in the day, TD.
07-30-2012 09:48 PM
Tempest
Re: Starboard and Port tacks?

[QUOTE=smackdaddy

PS - If only cruisers knew the rules like racers know the rules. You can learn a lot from racers.[/QUOTE]


Haha, I resemble that remark...

I'm still trying to learn where I might find the term " Running Free" in Colregs, US sailing RRS, or the ISAF sailing rules. Can you point me a source other than Harvey Mudd ?
07-30-2012 09:46 PM
tdw
Re: Starboard and Port tacks?

Quote:
Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
Actually, I think the best part of this thread was the silly throwdown between Dog and Alfa. Ahh, memories.
Have to agree with you there old mate. I should however impress on anyone reading back through the thread that my contribution to that throwdown was before I was elevated to the ruling class, became all high and mighty and probably boring with it. Oh well.
07-30-2012 04:06 PM
smackdaddy
Re: Starboard and Port tacks?

Actually, I think the best part of this thread was the silly throwdown between Dog and Alfa. Ahh, memories.
07-30-2012 12:53 PM
smackdaddy
Re: Starboard and Port tacks?

Quote:
Originally Posted by rgscpat View Post
A perhaps helpful over-simplification to apply to encounters of boats of different types is that generally the less maneuverable types of boats should hold their course (be the "stand on" vessel) when meeting the more maneuverable sorts of vessels. So, as a general rule, power gives way to sail, sail gives way to oars.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SEMIJim View Post

18. Responsibilities between vessels
A sailing vessel must give way to:
a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver

N.B.: The RRS (Racing Rules of Sailing) to not agree with this in all respects. This is not the only respect in which the RRS (illogically and, therefore, dangerously, IMHO) disagrees with the normal ROW rules.
I agree. But this raises some very sticky legal issues in the context of racing vs. cruising sailboats interacting (as I blathered about in another thread).

Interesting stuff.

PS - If only cruisers knew the rules like racers know the rules. You can learn a lot from racers.
07-30-2012 12:46 PM
johnnyquest37
Re: Starboard and Port tacks?

Quote:
Originally Posted by nolatom View Post
One way to remember what tack you're on (remember, that was the original question five years ago)? Write it on the boom--"watch out!" on the port side of the boom, "keep on truckin" on stbd side. I've seen this on dinghies, and on a couple of the Interclubs we used to frostbite race in.

As to the overtaking versus windward/leeward question. If faster boat is approaching you within the arc of your stern light, it's overtaking. It it's within the arc of your red or green sidelights, it's crossing. That's how it is under power rules anyway, and the other guy knows based on what light he sees on you. Not so clear when it's sailing rules, I still think once he overlaps you from leeward, you have to start keeping clear if you can.
Marking the boom - what a great idea.

Rule 13 of the COLREGs covers overtaking. The vessel that is overtaking must keep "clear of the overtaken vessel until she is finally past and clear."

The overlap situation is from the racing rules, not in the COLREGs.

From the OP, I remeber port vs. starboard by "Port wine is red," and knowing that "port", "left" and "red" all have fewer letters than "staboard", "right" and "green."
07-30-2012 12:29 PM
nolatom
Re: Starboard and Port tacks?

One way to remember what tack you're on (remember, that was the original question five years ago)? Write it on the boom--"watch out!" on the port side of the boom, "keep on truckin" on stbd side. I've seen this on dinghies, and on a couple of the Interclubs we used to frostbite race in.

Oh yeah, sit to windward. If you do, this system works pretty well.


As to the overtaking versus windward/leeward question. If faster boat is approaching you within the arc of your stern light, it's overtaking. It it's within the arc of your red or green sidelights, it's crossing. That's how it is under power rules anyway, and the other guy knows based on what light he sees on you. Not so clear when it's sailing rules, I still think once he overlaps you from leeward, you have to start keeping clear if you can.
07-29-2012 10:29 PM
Tempest
Re: Starboard and Port tacks?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SEMIJim View Post
Respectfully disagree.

18. Responsibilities between vessels
A sailing vessel must give way to:
a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver

I boat that is "sailing free" (downwind) is presumed to have more manoeuverability than one sailing upwind, and is therefore obliged to give way.

Several on-line sailing sites agree. Here are a couple:
Basic Sailing: Rules of Sailing
HMC Sailing Club Basic Right-Of-Way Rules

Apparently there's history: St. Paul daily globe., June 10, 1895, Page 5, Image 5

N.B.: The RRS (Racing Rules of Sailing) to not agree with this in all respects. This is not the only respect in which the RRS (illogically and, therefore, dangerously, IMHO) disagrees with the normal ROW rules.

Jim

Hi Jim,

Two sailboats meeting in open water would not fall under RAM.

A RAM vessel is usually one that is by the "nature of it's work" unable to get out of the way.
A vessel laying cable, a dredge, a coast guard bouy tender. Last summer, I encounted a DEP vessel in the Race of long island that was displaying RAM dayshapes, In talking to the bridge, he was taking soundings of the bottom and was towing a sonar in a pattern.

Vessels Constrained by Draft, and Commercial fishing vessels would give way to RAMS. A recreational sailboat, because it was sailing downwind, would not be a RAM.


The 1st picture that you show, is not inconsistent with what I stated before, in that it appears that the vessel upwind is also on a port tack ( boom to starboard) in which case it would be two sailboats on the same tack vessel to windward gives way to the leeward vessel.
However, if that's not the mainsail...but a spinnaker, and you can't see the main to determine which side it's on, the rules say that port tack downwind boat should keep clear... that's not me...it's colregs.

It says that because: if the upwind boat was on starboard, then it would also be windward and have to give way to a starboard boat downwind

if the upwind boat was on port and you were on starboard it would have to give way to you.

That's the USCG navigation rules. Not racing rules. The rule works, without having to create the " running free" thing. Which, to my knowlege is no where to be found in the rules.

The article is from 1895...and pre-dates current law. So, I didn't read the whole thing.

P.S Read Rule D, in column 2 of the 1895 article. " A Yacht with the wind aft is deemed to have the wind on the opposite side to that on which she is carrying her main boom"
This thread has more than 10 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:00 PM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.