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12-09-2015 08:32 PM
Fog Bank
Re: Chart plotter or IPad

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I take it this is a GPS device, which your iPad didn't already have? Kind of like the "pucks" that are bought for laptops?
Yes, it is a puck, about the size of a keychain. For the most part, my iPad is simply an entertainment consumption device, so I opted for the wifi only model.
12-09-2015 08:24 PM
Exile1
Re: Chart plotter or IPad

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After the tragic death of my handheld GPS, which served as a backup for the plotter, I decided to see what other options are out there. This led me to the Bad Elf 1008. It's a device that plugs into the iPad using the lightening connector. That in combination with INavX seems to do the trick. My reasoning for going this way was simple; the iPad is always aboard anyway.

As I use this combo a bit more I'll update my findings.
I take it this is a GPS device, which your iPad didn't already have? Kind of like the "pucks" that are bought for laptops?
12-09-2015 06:30 PM
Fog Bank
Re: Chart plotter or IPad

After the tragic death of my handheld GPS, which served as a backup for the plotter, I decided to see what other options are out there. This led me to the Bad Elf 1008. It's a device that plugs into the iPad using the lightening connector. That in combination with INavX seems to do the trick. My reasoning for going this way was simple; the iPad is always aboard anyway.

As I use this combo a bit more I'll update my findings.
12-09-2015 03:09 PM
goat
Re: Chart plotter or IPad

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It's not heat, they're capacitance driven. I'm not exactly sure how that works underwater or through cases, but I do know it's capacitance.

Here in the great frozen north (well, not frozen today, crazy warm actually, high of 46F) touchscreen winter gloves are popular. They have metal woven in to the fingertips so you can still use your phone while wearing gloves.
I bought a pair of these a few years ago for my touch screen plotter in fall weather. Worked great on the screen, put black dye stains wherever the goat skin palms touched the boat. Less than impressed.

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12-09-2015 03:07 PM
TakeFive
Re: Chart plotter or IPad

Most consumer phone and tablet touchscreen are capacitance, as pointed out already. It's a far superior technology for the average landlubber because of greater sensitivity and speed. But since water has capacitance too, it's lousy for marine environment. A waterproof case will prevent damage to the device, but it won't prevent the confusion that comes with the device thinking those multiple water drops are a multi-touch gesture.

Older devices, like the original Palm Pilots and some cheap phones, were based on resistive technology. It's much slower because it requires a harder push. And when you push hard your fingertip flattens, so it loses resolution in the touch. So it's lousy for things like typing out words. But it's fine for tapping on a single item (instead of multiple characters for a paragraph), and it has the huge benefit of being insensitive to water drops. For this reason, Garmin's touch screen devices are based on resistive touchscreen (at least, every one I've seen is).

My Windows tablets with capacitive touchscreen work great, but I do very little sailing in wet conditions. I keep a Garmin handheld available for rainy conditions.
12-09-2015 01:58 PM
seaner97
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The ithingys are all heat driven, which is why the iPad or iPhone can be used underwater with a proper case. No idea how the Garmins or others are done.
It's not heat, they're capacitance driven. I'm not exactly sure how that works underwater or through cases, but I do know it's capacitance.

Here in the great frozen north (well, not frozen today, crazy warm actually, high of 46F) touchscreen winter gloves are popular. They have metal woven in to the fingertips so you can still use your phone while wearing gloves.
Hmm... If true, why don't they work when my fingers are cold? A hot dog out of the fridge should work if based on capacitance. Same as a saw stop. Could be the non Apple ones are capacitance.
Edit- you're right. I'm wrong. iDive case is pressurized allowing capacitance to still work. The issue with cold fingers is actually a sensitivity issue of the screen being detuned so Jon's Garmin issues don't occur.
12-09-2015 01:11 PM
Minnesail
Re: Chart plotter or IPad

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Originally Posted by seaner97 View Post
The ithingys are all heat driven, which is why the iPad or iPhone can be used underwater with a proper case. No idea how the Garmins or others are done.
It's not heat, they're capacitance driven. I'm not exactly sure how that works underwater or through cases, but I do know it's capacitance.

Here in the great frozen north (well, not frozen today, crazy warm actually, high of 46F) touchscreen winter gloves are popular. They have metal woven in to the fingertips so you can still use your phone while wearing gloves.
12-09-2015 07:08 AM
Minnewaska
Re: Chart plotter or IPad

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I have covers for my ithingys made by Lifeproof. Supposed to be shock resistant and waterproof down to X number of feet for Y number of minutes. Nice covers, but no plans to test their underwater claims. Not intentionally anyway . . . .
Same here. Expensive buggers and I'm near an upgrade to both the phone and tablet and they're non-compatible. Typical with technology.

The only irony with making these waterproof is they still don't float. I think you can get a huge flotation jacket for them, but then I can't slip the phone in my pocket.
12-08-2015 09:49 PM
Exile1
Re: Chart plotter or IPad

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The ithingys are all heat driven, which is why the iPad or iPhone can be used underwater with a proper case. No idea how the Garmins or others are done.
I have covers for my ithingys made by Lifeproof. Supposed to be shock resistant and waterproof down to X number of feet for Y number of minutes. Nice covers, but no plans to test their underwater claims. Not intentionally anyway . . . .
12-08-2015 09:18 PM
seaner97
Re: Chart plotter or IPad

The ithingys are all heat driven, which is why the iPad or iPhone can be used underwater with a proper case. No idea how the Garmins or others are done.
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