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03-18-2014 11:33 AM
christyleigh
Re: Nauticat 38 for offshore sailing. Thoughts?

Medsailer,
You should go to the Nauticat website to see the difference in the 2 lines of Nauticats. Mine and True Blue were the 'Traditional Pilothouses" = Boxy.

The other totally seperate line looks more like the "Deck Salon" type of boats being offered by everybody now. Much sleeker and good sailers but with a - Full Pilothouse - not just a raised salon. Also they Don't have the sliding side doors like mine so they are A - Ocean Rated unlike mine at B.

Price is going to be your problem - it's obscene ! You may be able to find a 38-42 foot (same boat just listed differently) 86 - 90 somewhere near your price range but I just took a quick look and Nope.
03-16-2014 01:35 PM
blt2ski
Re: Nauticat 38 for offshore sailing. Thoughts?

I'm recalling some items as fuzzy is, some of the nauticats while very nice boats, are not ment to be sailed open ocean. IE they only have the european class B not an A rating. Probably a good to great boat for around here in the salish sea, but not in the middle of the ocean! I know one person that had one sink under them in a storm off of SF bay area IIRC. There was an article in 48 north. Not that one should use this ONE sinking as an example of the lack of great sailing, build quality of a boat.

If it were me, I would look at this VERY careful. For probably the same coin, there is a Jeanneau SO49iP at marine servicenter that has been to oz and back, and probably ready to go again. Only needs an enclosure.

Marty
03-16-2014 12:20 AM
boatpoker
Re: Nauticat 38 for offshore sailing. Thoughts?

I cruised parallel to a Nauticat 38 in 12-15' head seas for about 35 miles. What a beautiful thing to watch ! Those waves did not bother that boat at all.
03-15-2014 11:50 PM
MedSailor
Re: Nauticat 38 for offshore sailing. Thoughts?

Quote:
Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
A shower that drains into the bilge is easily fixed with a blivet on the end of the drain hose, or installing a shower pan and sump.

Heat coming in big glass windows, also fixed easily by applying 3M Crystalline or similar window film, which can cut something like 98% of all IR radiation through the glass, with or without any extra visible tint. Great stuff.

But a Nauticat is what it is, no matter what you do to it. Gobs of room, up and down, for the length. Which will mean gobs of windage and motion, as it will on any boat. My impression is that they're really built as comfortable harbor boats which also can conveniently transport themselves under engine or sail, but they're designed for the destination and not the journey.

Of course a single-level more conventional design is going to mean either less accommodation space, or a steeper marina bill for the extra length. But I think if I were crossing the Pacific and the Equator, and then circumnavigating Oz, I'd want a more conventional cruising boat aimed at the best experience (comfort, safety, speed) at sea, rather than one built for comfort in harbor.

The Nauticat 38 - information for cruising sailors Says capsize ratio 1.51, fwiw.
Thank you for your thoughts. I never bothered to school myself on the numbers of boat comparison. I always wondered about their utility. So, I assume 1.51 for a capsize ratio is bad?? I would think that all the boyancy of that huge pilothouse up top would help keep you from going over, but only if the doors held, and that's a pretty big if....

As nice as the floating house we're looking at may be, the broker just emailed me the recent survey and it appears that it has lots of blisters. For a boat that is at the upper upper upper end of my price range, I would want turn-key and then some, not a project....

MedSailor
03-15-2014 08:02 PM
manatee
Re: Nauticat 38 for offshore sailing. Thoughts?

A few threads for your browsing enjoyment:

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-r...-she-blue.html

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-r...-nauticat.html

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/genera...lothouses.html
03-15-2014 05:29 PM
hellosailor
Re: Nauticat 38 for offshore sailing. Thoughts?

A shower that drains into the bilge is easily fixed with a blivet on the end of the drain hose, or installing a shower pan and sump.

Heat coming in big glass windows, also fixed easily by applying 3M Crystalline or similar window film, which can cut something like 98% of all IR radiation through the glass, with or without any extra visible tint. Great stuff.

But a Nauticat is what it is, no matter what you do to it. Gobs of room, up and down, for the length. Which will mean gobs of windage and motion, as it will on any boat. My impression is that they're really built as comfortable harbor boats which also can conveniently transport themselves under engine or sail, but they're designed for the destination and not the journey.

Of course a single-level more conventional design is going to mean either less accommodation space, or a steeper marina bill for the extra length. But I think if I were crossing the Pacific and the Equator, and then circumnavigating Oz, I'd want a more conventional cruising boat aimed at the best experience (comfort, safety, speed) at sea, rather than one built for comfort in harbor.

The Nauticat 38 - information for cruising sailors Says capsize ratio 1.51, fwiw.
03-15-2014 04:58 PM
Jaramaz
Re: Nauticat 38 for offshore sailing. Thoughts?

NC38 are motorsailsors as best. Have a friend with one, we use to sail together and also help eachother out when (un- &) stepping masts etc

Comfortable boats, good with the PH when it is cold, lot of GRP in these - friend installed a bow thruster and there was a lot of GRP. Heavy boats.

But not much sailing. That said, there use to be a annual regatta:
http://www.nauticat-club.com/the_wor...lingreg_BR.htm

They have great fun, but no great sailing.

As far as I know, no problems with these boats becomes to hot in the sun, there are good possibilites to vent. Where I sail

/J
03-14-2014 03:50 PM
killarney_sailor
Re: Nauticat 38 for offshore sailing. Thoughts?

I certainly don't know these boats well but a couple of general observations.

I think we saw a few (not necessarily 38's but in that range) of these in the Caribbean and maybe one between Panama and South Africa, can remember where though.

Don't assume that your route means you are safe from nastiness. We were knocked down in 50+ knots in French Polynesia. You need to know whether the windows are designed to take that sort of abuse. I talked to a guy who builds Oysters and he said the tempered glass windows they have now are stronger than the hull. Was this true in the 70s/80s? I have no idea but would want to know.

About the doors, try to picture a good part of the local ocean landing on the deck - most often forward, but could be from anywhere, After the bath you have six inches of water running down the leeward decks. Where does it go? How long does it take to drain? and Is there is an issue with the doors? I don't know these boats well enough to even suggest an answer.

Is the one you are looking at a ketch or cutter? In general ketches are not as good going downwind as single-masters and when you add the very low SA/D ratio it becomes very problematic. Think about various downwind rigs (two poles for example, but even then the sail area with a ketch is small), or some form of spinnaker.

Heating from the sun could be an issue, but I assume you could almost always have one door open. It can be very hot in places (northern Oz being one and we were there mid-winter) and I don't think you want to rely on the a/c too much. At the very least it will mean carrying lots of jerry cans of fuel from the nearest gas station since most places do not fuel docks. I looked at one of these boats on YW and it had 90 gal of fuel which does not seem to be much for a boat that may have to motor quite a bit and may use the genset quite often.
03-14-2014 11:10 AM
MedSailor
Re: Nauticat 38 for offshore sailing. Thoughts?

Thanks Fuzzy! Great insight. I guess another part of the equation is that the one we're looking at has air-con and a genset. Neither of which I would pay a dollar to add, and I don't really like air-con but then again, when I was in The Isa I did use it to cool down my flat before going to sleep. Sleeping in the hot is not my favorite. If it does take running the genset all day to mitigate the window issue, that would not please me but since the boat has it, I'm sure I'd fire it up from time to time.

I suppose I should have looked at the data before asking too many questions. Nice coincidence that the SA/D ratios are the same. Don't hardly need to know what the numbers mean now because they're the same for both boats.

I think I could be happy with most of the Nauticat issues and quirks, and while I'm not afraid of windows offshore, the big doors do still give me pause.... but then again, aren't nauticats common boats to be seen circumnavigating the downwind routes?

MedSailor
03-14-2014 03:35 AM
tdw
Re: Nauticat 38 for offshore sailing. Thoughts?

I forgot about SailBoat Data ..... duh.

Your formosa has an SA/D of 13.59, the Nauticat 38 13.67. Not much difference it seems though.

NAUTICAT 38 sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com

FORMOSA 41 sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com

What a great site that is.
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