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Interesting Sailboats

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Sirius 32, Sirius 35

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out). Recent designs out of production are also admissible.

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.

Small cruisers (less than 35ft)

Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;

Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft


Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;

Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)


Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;

Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)

Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;

Sailing boats over 49ft

Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;

Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats

Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;

Racers

Figaro 2:pG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;

Lifting keel/centerboarder

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;

Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;

Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;

Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;

This list is not actualized. Please use the advanced search engine of the thread with the name of the model and builder. It works, most of the time.

(actualized till PG100) and it will be no more because that gives a lot of work (500 pages now).

Instead I am actualizing the titles and with the right title the thread search engine (not the one on the top of the page bit the one much below that says search thread) on its advanced option works quite well.

Hello,

Melrna posts on Miami Boat show and the comments of Smackdady about the interest of that thread lead me to think that perhaps I could share more information about sailboats I know and find interesting.

I am interested in boat design (interior and sailing performance) and I go each year at least to one of the main European Boat shows and that means basically Dusseldorf, Paris or Hamburg. On these shows you have the opportunity not only to visit the boats of the main and medium size builders but you have also the opportunity to visit the boats of small and sometime family shipyards.

Normally they build very good sailboats and sometimes they have been doing that for decades. The boats are hugely appreciated by their faithful customers but because they don't advertise their boats and there are very few on the used boat market, they pass unnoticed by the majority of the sail community.

The visit to these boats is a very rewarding experience because they are made with passion by true boat lovers and because when you talk to the guy that is on the boat, you are not talking with a dealer, that many times doesn't know much about boats, but with the builder, or the designer.

Even if you are not a buyer they will have real pleasure in talking with someone that really appreciates and understands their work. Those guys really believe in what they are doing and they do it the best way they can, no matter the cost. In a word, they are in love with what they are doing.
Of course, these boats have to be expensive.

This thread will be mainly about these boats, as a way of letting you know about these gems. Let's see if you are interested. I will not post much. If you want to know more you have just to participate and make questions.

The first one it will be the "Sirius". I have had the pleasure to visit several times their boats and to talk with the builders (father and son).

These boats have the best interiors you can find, or at least that I have seen. Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won't believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Owner´s cabin | 32 DS 4-berth comfort owner´s cabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Workshop | 32 DS for 2 workshop

Now that the son is in charge they have modernized the outside look of the new boats, they look fantastic not only inside but also outside. The boats sail well and they have clients as far as Japan.

Sirius-Werft Plön | Versions of decks house | You have the choice

Another interesting point is the way they develop new boats. They work with the clients to collect suggestions on the shape and design of the boats. A truly interesting affair, between passionate clients and passionate builders.

Sirius-Werft Plön | 35 DS | Philosophy

Take a good look at their interesting site and if you find the boat interesting, please let me know, I can add some information.

Sirius-Werft Plön | english | Welcome at website of Sirius-Werft Plön

Regards

Paulo
 
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#6,438 · (Edited)
There are a couple of other minor differences between the lovely Eagle and Francis.
FRANCIS has full headroom, 6'6' and a full, comfortable interior. While conceived as primarily a daysailer it was my intention that the boat be designed for cruising in the PNW. It is just inevitable that this will happen. In fact Kim is going overnight cruising on June 7th. He's sailing up to my beach shack.

Derek, one of Kim's sons, and I are both 6'3". Kim and Brent are 6' tall. We wanted comfortable headroom. I have learned over the years that a 5'8" sailor feels better in a boat with 6'6" headroom. The boat feels big and "airy". The interior of FRANCIS is all white and I can assure you that it is anything but dark. It is very bright below. I'm even hoping that the fabrics chosen for the cushions help mute the interior a bit.

This week FRANCIS will finally get cushions and sea rails. When I feel the interior is finished and photo ready I'll be happy to post photos. As for now it's not and I won't, it simply would not do the boat justice to show it shy of finished. But if you are interested in the layout you can get an idea of it from this drawing.
 
#6,439 ·
Here is an interesting boat. Of course it's an American design in the old fashioned American style but it did win the first race yesterday at the Cortex Racing Association spring regatta. 2nd race was called when time lapsed. This boat also has chines. This kind of boat can take advantage of chines. So I gave it chines.
 
#6,441 · (Edited)

I prefer the new racer made in china without any chine, inverted bow and a huge B/D ratio. Certainly a lot faster (Simonis-Voogd designed) and a cutting edge design.

Interesting Sailboats: FAREAST 31R

As I have said previously chines are mostly used for increased control on cruisers or short crew racers. Also used on offshore crewed racing boats used in very difficult conditions and sailed extensively (VOR boats). There a better control pays off regarding a boat marginally faster but more difficult to control. You seemed to agree with this view since you call them training wheels, as in a bicycle for kids.

Chines can certainly make a boat easier to sail and increase stiffness on a given heel angle but on a boat designed to use all transom as support while heeled they can be detrimental to performance increasing drag. That's why top racing crewed new designs are not using them, or when using them use it very high on the transom, in an almost vestigial way.

 
#6,440 ·
When coastal cruising I find that one spends a lot of time climbing in and out of the dingy.How well your vessel accommodates this activity can be a feature of safety as well as convenience. Slick sided high free board and my bum hanging over the skiff just reminds me how I need physio and less beer. Hope I never need to find a boarding ladder from the water. Dingy racing ,day sailing and going ashore for oysters may require some various considerations of what's beautiful/practical.I think that can be labeled compromise unless you think one design is best.
 
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#6,444 ·
Well, mine is Juvenile your's is very misty. I did not have changed my position on chine and since you seem confused I explain: they can be used for three things: To increase control over the boat and make sailing easier, to increase hull form stability at a given angle of heel or to help a boat to plan. Different types of boats use chines for different purposes according with the designer's intentions. They can be well or baldly used because they also increase drag when badly used or in some cases they would just do nothing.

It seems that you don't know but all cruisers that I know designed by JK have chines. They are not many, the most known and mass produced is the First 30.



He says that some designers know how to apply chines, others not. I agree and I even said that clearly Finot/Conq and Marc Lombard, that have a huge experience with modern chines coming from designing many racing boats, are among the ones that work better with them.

Regarding the Delphia, besides the information that was already given to you this thread has plenty of information about them. If you use the thread search engine you will find it.
 
#6,442 ·
Delphia Yachts has been on the very top of boat builders from Poland, with numerous awards: Delphia Yachts - Awards

The company has recently acquired Maxi Yachts About - Concept and Delphia's Saphire 27 won the "European Yacht of the Year 2014" in "Special Yacht" category Saphire 27 - Slip and trail without a crane

The background and reputation is solid, if I recall Dephia also won an award at Chicago Strictly Sail. These are well build modern boats, in my opinion.
 
#6,449 · (Edited)
I agree with that. Regarding the 40 they have been changing the interior but that hull is old and it is already a bit outdated. The boat has a good B/D ratio for the type of keel and is considered a safe boat.

As you properly know one circumnavigated recently on a non stop attempt. It made the circumnavigation but not really non stop because it hit a submerged object and had to stop to repair the rudder. Otherwise the boat did well.

Sail-World.com : Against the odds: Chichocki completes circumnavigation
 
#6,443 ·
Delphia started 1990, ie somewhat new boatbuilders. :)

In Europe they positions themselves as low cost (production in Poland is considerably cheaper than in "western countries"), but reasonable to good quality. They are competing with Bavaria - Delphia considered to be more interesting, but Bav has started to use top designers; personally I would prefer Delphia if only for the reason that one sees Bav everywhere. My own impression is that eg Hanse and Bene is a step up in quality, which of course a generalization.

The early boats from Delphia should be carefully inspected, it does take some years for a boatbuilder to get an even quality. Last five years Delphia seems to have stabilized, many customers have given positive reports.

A Delphia in the US? Unusual, which has consequences on both buying price and later on when selling. This goes without saying ...

/J
 
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#6,447 ·
Thanks Jaramaz. That should be all the info my friend needs. They are asking about $185.000 USD for this boat but it needs another $20,000 of gear to go. His wife likes the interior.
If this is a Delphia 40 then it is an old boat (~nearly 10 years?). $ 200' is too much. The follow-up 40.3 sells used for less. (even fatter ass + 2 wheels, of course).

see also
Delphia 40.3 demobåt 2009 | Skåne
In Swedish! That boat has all kinds of equipment. Asking price $ 150' (and in Sweden where boats are much more expensive than US).

/J
 
#6,445 ·
I have seen two Delphia 40's out sailing around here in Annapolis and been aboard one at the boat show. The show visit did not leave a strong impression so I can't talk about apparent build quality, deck layout, or level of fit and finish. But I did have several chances to see them under sail. The boats that I observed do not seem as fast as I would have expected or as weatherly. They did not seem to do very well in light air, but seemed better when I encountered them in a moderate breeze. They seemed to be struggling as the wind picked up (maybe 15 knots) and may have needed to reef. Their sails seemed to be properly trimmed so that did not seem to be the problem.

The only other thing about these boats is that their gelcoat (one mustard coloered and the other burgundy) seemed to chalk and fade very quickly.

Jeff
 
#6,454 ·
Everything is.

That old Redline is gorgeous. It's interesting how C&C boats have always been instantly recognizable as such, even though they kept changing - sort of like Mercedes Benz's.
 
#6,455 · (Edited)
Denizens of the interesting sailboats thread, might I trouble you for a moment for any information or opinions you may have on the below boat, A Montercarlo 43 designed by Angelo Lavrano/Fred Scholtz and built in South Africa in the 90's.



Yours truly is looking at one, but they are not that common a find, especially in this part of the world. Information is scarce to come by. We are basically after a 40 something, serious cruiser, capable of better than average performance in terms of making good passage times. It would appear to be a contender.
 
#6,467 · (Edited)
Hey Paulo,

Good to see your getting ready for the summer season. Should be a great season for you after that really lousy stormy winter you had. Your boat is looking good and it is looking fast.

We are back in Hood River and have left the boat on the hard in Panama for 6 months. Ya, I know what the hell are we doing! Well 4 new grand kids in the Hood, an El Nino year in Pacific, we have been twice allready, don't need a 40 day crossing at our age, no wind for 1st 1100 miles. Plus we have sailed the new Boreal 44, 7500 miles in less than 8 months and we want to slow down, Panama is a great place to hang out for awhile. May go to S. Pacific when El Nino is over or we may go back to Atlantic coast of Europe so we can spend some time instead of sailing hard south to dodge bad weather like last year, plus the wine and sea food is to good not to go back for another round.

Have a great summer season sailing the Med.

Hey Outbound you out there?

Steve and Tracy
 
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