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04-01-2014 12:07 PM
Re: Fire ! / Heat Damage

my uncle´s eleanor used to be hauled in whites every winter. in summer, uncle phil´s mooring was the 3rd mooring from hudson on the catskill creek.
a different friend now anchors there when he can, as tribute to the eleanor.
look up the eleanor in the registry of historic treasures... she is there as of 1982. shehad repairs effected there and was a regular occupant, 1952-1998
good memories and goood folks. i hope they are still around when i finally get to hudson river.
is sad to read bad news about that marina as it is a good place run by good folks.
04-01-2014 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by CalebD View Post
Sorry to hear about this Ron.
This blows in the worst way. This is the time you would be getting your boat ready for launching. Instead you'll be dealing with insurance claims for some time.
My boat is just down river from you in Nyack, if you need a sailing fix.
Caleb ... thanks for the offer! I just may take you up on it if you are serious ... even just to meet up. My SO lives in Suffern and we are in Nyack often.
03-31-2014 03:07 PM
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Paul ...Nepenthe is in the middle of the "island" of boats in the middle of the marina. They moved Sweet Bubbaloo off to the side. My bow faces north and my stern is hidden by a large sailboat perpendicular to me on my south.

Cause of fire has not yet been determined. They haven't ruled out arson or accident. I'm told there are 3 arson investigation teams involved. Accident could be kids partying on the boat and accidental ignition(?) Sweet Bubbaloo was one of the few boats on premises that was not covered and was not locked.

Fire Dept did a great job!
03-31-2014 02:19 PM
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I stopped by the yard last Saturday as I dropped my son off at a party in Chelsea. I did not see your boat but there is not much left of Sweet Bubbaloo at all! I think it is amazing that this did not spread to more boats. Kind of sad as I was thinking of making a low ball offer on her this spring. Whites has had a tough year so far.
03-31-2014 02:02 PM
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With additional financial exposure, they may start thinking about totaling the boat and selling off the hull. Probably not, if the claim stays as is. Not sure if that would be good or bad news for you, but be prepared.

So, what started the fire? Some of the insurance company's decision making could be a matter of whether they are the loss payer or if they can collect their damages via subrogation.
03-31-2014 01:43 PM
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update on the survey ....

Surveyor found some glass delamination on the starboard bow. With that repair, new furler, nav lights, anchor rhode, rub rail and insert, etc., the total came to about $6,400.

The claim remains open in case they find additional damage to the hull-deck joint after they take off the rub rail .....

THANKS EVERYONE for the kind words and advice! If anyone thinks of anything else, feel free to chime in!
03-26-2014 06:13 PM
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Choose and hire your own independent surveyor rather than relying on the guy the insurance company sends (he works for them) and charge it back to them.

Pay special attention to the topsides nearest the heat source. Polyester is a plastic and the plasticizers that keep the laminate "plastic" can be gassed off from excess heat with little visible evidence, thereby weakening the laminate.

I almost always recommend a plug be pulled to ensure the laminate is sound in these circumstances. As you are going to have repairs in that area anyway, a plug won't make much difference to the work involved.
03-26-2014 04:55 PM
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That really blows. I went through a similar experience although mine was in an indoor storage facility so there was a lot of smoke damage. I was several boats away from the one that caught fire so I thought I was fine. Just some cleanup and then launch I thought. It ended up being a lot more work and money than I imagined. Smoke gets everywhere and smoke from a fiberglass fire leaves soot that was hard to clean. The marina insisted they had to do the initial cleaning if it was done on their property because of the potential hazardous runnoff. The cleaning chemicals they used destroyed the finish of anything plastic on deck. What a mess. Needless to say I haven't been back to that marina. Work closely with your insurance company and take pictures of everything before you move stuff around. Hope you have less work than I did.
03-26-2014 04:23 PM
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Ron I would say you are very lucky as I don't see any thing other then what you have described.

I would make sure to have a few qualified people look at it as I'm sure after Sandy the insurance company is going to try to low ball the cost.
03-26-2014 02:26 PM
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This is just me but...

I would not loose a sailing season over this. Get photos, get a surveyor, talk to the insurance guys... and then launch. If nothing other than the light is critical, go. Even if the furler is not functional, it is still a foil (should be able to hoist and drop easily). Inspect the stem head and forestay to make certain they are sound. It shouldn't be too hard for a close inspection to reveal the maximum temperature they saw.

Get a cash award and fix it next winter.

Of course, everything I said based upon there being no serious structural issues. There is some melted bumper and some gelcoat that may be damaged--I certainly can't tell from photos--but perhaps nothing that can't wait until a mid-summer break or fall. What is the value of a lost season? You can't ever get it back, you could have unforgettable experiences on the water, and insurance won't cover the living you loose it. Though I take good care of my boat and enjoy tinkering and perfecting, at the end of the day it is a tool for living.
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