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Frers F&C 44

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#1 ·
Frers F&C 44

I am trying to find more informatin on the Frers & Cybils 44. These were made in Argintina around 1980. I would appreciate any information or feedback.
Regards, James
 
#28 ·
F&c 44

biggest problem area is the chainplates. The original carbon steel (not stainless) chainplates were glassed to the inside of the hull with a less than perfect glass job left air pockets that fill with water that seeps in through the deck opening. The old tired toe rails are not teak and could have rotted out and allowed water in as well. I own #19 and have repaired the hull and plates where necessary. Second boat done by Great Island Boat Yard, Harpswell Maine. If the repair is done properly, the hull is virtually brand new and ready for another thirty years and more.
 
#29 ·
Peter, Kiskedee #12, the estimate for a repower was $22, double the engine which we found to be conventional wisdom from many sources. With new hydraulics close to $30
EC
SKYE #19

EC,
Thank you for the information, yes I would hate to think about the cost involved with a cabin reconfiguration.
Do have any cost estimates on repowering?
Thanks,
Peter
Kiskedee #12[/QUOTE]
 
#30 ·
Hello echoffmanjr,
I read your last post about chainplates and was alarmed. I never realized such problem on my boat (#16). What were the symptoms of this problem?
Did you have to repair all 4 areas? Was reconstruction done from outside or inside? I estimate it was horrible expensive , ones again.
Regards K. Holthoefer, #K16, Baltic Sea
 
#33 ·
Re: Frers F&C 44

Hydraulic Transmission?

I have F&C 44 #12, and am having issues with the hydraulic transmission, apparently the directional control valve is bad and needs replacement or repair does anyone have any insight into this issue.

I know that moving the engine
And going to a direct drive system is the best solution, but that is not an option at this time.

Thanks,
Peter
 
#34 ·
Re: Frers F&C 44

To people interested in the F & C 44. I have restored 2 of these boats for major hull damage. The hull was blistering and bulging from delaminating fiberglass Most of this damage was caused by the toe rail leaking into the hull causing mst of the damage. My biggest concern was the chain plates that were comepletely rotted due to the water damage that i was amazed they didn't rip out of the side of the boat. I had to make new chain plates to install, i also had to peel the hull, and reglass the whole hull and fair it then I gave it a awlgrip paint job. This is just an abridge essay on all the work that went into this job. Feel free to contact me with any detailed questions concerning this boat since I spent 2 years of my life working on these. Jim
 
#38 ·
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F&C 44 - I own K-20 here in Stamford CT - does anyone know where I can get construction drawings? Specifically I am considering whether to repair or replace the rudder - for no other reason than it's 30+ years old. Does anyone know if the armatures in the rudder were built of stainless or mild steel?
Any knowledge would be appreciated. Many thanks,
Will Robinson
 
#39 ·
Re: Frers F&C 44

I emailed the Frers office about 2 years ago and they confirmed that the original drawings are with them on file-a copy would cost $100 PER SHEET!

I declined their offer.

The shaft is obviously SS so one would presume that the armature is too.
BUT you never can be too sure so how about drilling a couple of holes you could also check how wet the core is at the same time and not too much hassle to fill and fair - would be interested to hear what you discover.
 
#41 ·
Re: Frers F&C 44

Hello, I own #19 SKYE Rye, NY for the last 8 years now in Great Island Boat Yard Harpswell Maine. To all above comments we suffered a srtructural crack in the topsides which upon investigation led to removing all chain plates as the water sitting inside the hull had delaminated the entire area around the plates. The point of water entry as has been referenced was the toe rail. We replaced that, repaired and rebuilt the plates, peeled the hull and reglassed using an infusion technique that should have eliminated the air pockets surrounding the original chain plate construction. new boat! The toe rail and the chain plate tang are the culprits. The steel chainplates and I suspect the rest of the steel used 30 years ago in Argentina was not high quality stainless steel, just plain carbon steel and hence more easily rustable. I dropped my rudder years ago because it was "wobbly", the pintal and gudgeon were refabricated and it's been fine since.

Happy to discuss further. ECH
 
#42 ·
Re: Frers F&C 44

Hallo, I own # K16, Baltic See, since 23 years. I had the toe rail and teak deck replaced in 2003. Yet no structural work on chain plates and rudder.
Quantification of water insite the laminate is difficult above steal, so I do not
trust in the measurement. I only hope for the following years.

I am very much interested in other experience/comments.
 
#43 ·
Re: Frers F&C 44

I have some original Drawlings in JPG format for the K-22 Hull we own... Happy to share if interested... Have Ariel View + Rudder Chain Plate Design and Specs (in Spanish of course).
Most F&C owners know us on here already, however, I have not met another owner with a K-22 HULL... I assumed there is more than just one of us out here? Or is the numbering sequence unique since they only made 50 of these in Argentina?
 
#44 ·
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Thanks so much. We're practically neighbors! - I have seen the pics on the internet of the repairs to your boat, and she certainly looks like a new boat. I too have the "wobble", the rudder is off now and it looks like at the very least I will be replacing the bearing that it sits in. Did you have any moisture in the rudder - did you have any concerns for the integrity of the steel armatures for offshore work? Thanks again.
Will Robinson.
 
#47 ·
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RUDDER:

FYI to fellow owners - I have just had a new rudder for K-20 made by Foss Foam - not fitted yet so I'll update at that point.
When the old one was pulled apart Foss Foam reported that it was actually in good condition and both the core and stock were in good shape. Making me wonder why I erred so far in the direction of caution in the first place!
However in removing the stainless heel of the old rudder the yard reported that the bolts through the skeg that held the heel ( or gudgeon) onto the skeg were heavily corroded. It may be worth taking a look if you're heading offshore any time soon. The bushing that the stock sits in in the gudgeon was also worn, in a similar manner to an earlier post, causing a little bit of play ( especially when overpowered in a stiff breeze) and a new one is fabricated.
 
#49 ·
Frers F&C 44

EC,

Owner of 'Explorar Conmigo' K-22 Hull. I would love some photos of your rudder work, and specifications on the parts you either purchased and or had fabricated for the pintal and or gudgeon? I noticed some serious rusty water exiting my Rudder one afternoon after haul out-- the long stream of rusty water concerns me for what lies inside the rudder and it's integrity-- and how long I have until something happens.
Thanks,
Thomas
(Galveston, TX)
 
#51 ·
Re: Frers F&C 44

Hello,
I have a new question to the community of F&C44 owners.
On Hull Nr.:K16 I realized a leckage at one opening window/hatch in the superstructure. The windows had been installed from inside. The outside coverage is not fixed in the window frame. The fixation of the frame from inside seems to be bolt and skrew nut. The problem is the access to the skrew nut.
I wonder whether I have to remove the hole wodden panel before I can refix it.
Does anyone understand the system.
Regards
Klaus
 
#52 ·
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my windows/portlights now all out for re-finishing.
Inner frames all screwed through inner wooden lining through the intervening gap and inter the coachroof moulding. No Nuts.
Outer trim ring just screwed into coach roof.
Lots of old Goop seemed not to have solved the problem for the PO
Will be putting West epoxy into all the old holes, re drilling and rebedding.

If you need pics of the now removed empty holes message me.
 
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