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07-24-2007 09:07 AM
arbarnhart ski,

Yeah, I saw that history document. Pretty interesting. The Venture did seem to start the category. IMO Catalina upped the ante another foot and pretty much ruled it with the 22 (I think that it was the best selling of the similar boats). The variance in SJs muddies 1D racing a bit, but it does still have the advantages you mention.
07-24-2007 01:56 AM
blt2ski Here is a link off a SJ28 page I found when looking for my current boat. Thought about the SJ28. That 14 page PDF is a history of the Clark Boat company that manufactured SJ's and C-larks among others.

It has a part where as Cobra Charlie mentions in your other thread, ie the Venture starting the trailer sailer era. It has a few other notes about SJ's as to why they might be a bit better than other brands and a bit quicker too. On the other hand, it mentions that there are about 6-10 SJ21's that were made a layer or two thicker than most! IE they went into the chater trade in Fl, and they were knowingly going to get beached, and removed via a long forklift, hence the thicker hulls, along with one heck of a lot slower than the normal thickness hulls........

You can race PHRF with ANY boat. There is some portions of racing that is nice to do 1D too. IE sharing sails, rigging and other parts, idea's etc if need be with in the club. With in this thought, you may also learn to sail a bit quicker if you have the same boat as others within the club, as there will be more how to make the boat quicker etc.

Also, I am recalling, while the Mk II version does race side by side with the original deck version, I seem to recall that the original cabin version is a bit quicker generally speaking. I did not sail both models, so will not speak from experience on this item. This may be spelled out in the article I linked too!

Good luck with choice, in realty, there is no WRONG choice. Other than my choice! oh yeah, I did not have a choice now did I!!!

Marty
07-23-2007 01:23 PM
arbarnhart
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If I go with something else, I can always do PHRF races and the practice races and of course cruises with clubs. But it turns out that 2 of the 3 national events (Mid Winters and Eastern Nationals) were in NC this year, about 2 hours in different directions from me, so if we decided we wanted to compete seriously, that's an option.
Following up on my own post; it seems like the more I find out, the less it seems to matter about specific classes unless I go to the higher level of competition and primary purposes are family fun and some weekend cruising with racing this specific boat a distant 3rd. The local group actually isn't part of the national class and would welcome another brand, though there is a preference for matching up exactly. It's still pretty likely that the SJ21 will be the boat; there are a fair number around the area and the prices are typically in my range. But I will look at others.
07-23-2007 06:59 AM
arbarnhart
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I used to sailin a local club on Lk Washington as a teen with a few SJ21's. Nice boat overall. As far as what is better.....that question is only one you can answer. And you have answered one, which is that there is a local club that races them. If youwant to race 1D, then get an SJ21. I built a small pram as a teen, wish I would have built an ElToro vs the GlenL 8 ball, as there was an eltoro group to race in. Not that I did not have fun with my pram, but, the racing woul dhave made it more FUN!

So your reason to go with an SJ21 vs a C21 or equal, has as much merit as any other thing some have said about other 20-22' Trailer sailers.

Marty
If I go with something else, I can always do PHRF races and the practice races and of course cruises with clubs. But it turns out that 2 of the 3 national events (Mid Winters and Eastern Nationals) were in NC this year, about 2 hours in different directions from me, so if we decided we wanted to compete seriously, that's an option.
07-23-2007 06:54 AM
arbarnhart
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The SJ21 is my dream boat. Went with a Bucc18 for now; a little bit easier to trailer and launch. Love the SJ's heavy swing keel & that it is both fast and forgiving. Bet it's easier to single-hand than our Bucc.
I am sailing a Bucc this Saturday to take the kids out to watch some other kids race Optis. I sailed it once before (belongs to a nice guy in a local club) and was pretty impressed with how it handled. I had crew, but the boat I was on was set up pretty well for single handed sailing with the quick set/release jib cleats so you would just whip one free as you started the tack then pull and cleat the other as you came about. But if they needed fiddling with it would be a pain. It was just far enough away that you don't have a lot of leverage on the tiller.
07-23-2007 01:02 AM
bobmcgov The SJ21 is my dream boat. Went with a Bucc18 for now; a little bit easier to trailer and launch. Love the SJ's heavy swing keel & that it is both fast and forgiving. Bet it's easier to single-hand than our Bucc.
07-22-2007 11:47 PM
sailaway21 I'd be looking at the Santanas also.
07-22-2007 06:28 PM
blt2ski I used to sailin a local club on Lk Washington as a teen with a few SJ21's. Nice boat overall. As far as what is better.....that question is only one you can answer. And you have answered one, which is that there is a local club that races them. If youwant to race 1D, then get an SJ21. I built a small pram as a teen, wish I would have built an ElToro vs the GlenL 8 ball, as there was an eltoro group to race in. Not that I did not have fun with my pram, but, the racing woul dhave made it more FUN!

So your reason to go with an SJ21 vs a C21 or equal, has as much merit as any other thing some have said about other 20-22' Trailer sailers.

Marty
07-22-2007 04:07 PM
arbarnhart I may be narrowing back down to the SJ 21 though. I do want to participate in races and regattas locally and so far, it is the only trailerable crusing racer in my budget range I have found a local group for.
07-22-2007 11:51 AM
sailaway21 Yeah, and guess what lighter means?



You guessed it! Quicker and more agile. One of the most endearing features of the Cal 21 is that she'll get right up and going quickly, even in very light air. She carries a lot of sail for the size boat, coupled with an 1100 lb displacement, and you get the picture.

Only deficiency, imho, head-room or lack thereof.
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